Shooting spree in German High School

[Apache]

When are gun control advocates going to realize the obvious?

A criminal is such for many reasons. Too many to list here. Is a criminal going to avoid getting or using a gun because...it's illegal?

Gun control may have an impact on crimes of passion I may have to agree. The cooling off period most likely does prevent crimes of passion with a gun.

However, I once worked a case where a man had just murdered his wife. He had discovered her extra marital affair. In the bathroom where she lay face down, I noticed a huge chunk of the porcelain bath sink was missing. When I rolled her over, I found the chunk. She was wearing it. He had driven her head face first thru the sink.

She wasn't shot tho.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Sikboy


Yeah, my lure was way too small to catch fish in a gun control pond. I'm just no good at this. I'll have to watch elfenwolf somemore.

-Sikboy

LOL Sikboy, here's a few lures that have worked well for me in the past- the Dead Homeless Dude Spinnerbait, works great on the righteously indignant fish- the PETA Artifical Minnow, somehow fish strike at this bait even though they know it's fake-
the Hillary Rodham Clinton For President Stinkbait, works great on Southern fish-

But remember, trolling is as much about presentation as it is about the bait. For instance you don't want to throw a Hilary Rodham Clinton For President Stinkbait in the middle of a school of fish because it'll startle them away. Instead fish the Clinton Stinkbait slightly upstream from the fish and they'll be enticed by the smell to check it out.

Conversely, when using the PETA Artificial Lure try to bounce it off the fish's nose because of the strike reflex instinctive in so many fish whenever PETA is mentioned.

Most important of all is trolling the right thread. Try to find a thread where the subject of the thread does something so off the wall and stupid as to be defenseless in their actions- such as having a homeless guy stuck in their windshield for three days- and then defend them.  This drives the fish into a feeding frenzy.

Happy fishing.

[Sikboy]

ROFL!

Oh man, that's my first entry into my "Post Hall Of Fame"

Thanks for the Tips. I think there's one more thing I need to realise: Get out the hip-waders, and don't be afraid to fully commit. You can't catch the big one if you give up too early.

-Sikboy

[Eagler]

Originally posted by babek-


Its a long time ago, when I went to school, but if I am right there is the following system in Germany:

Grundschule (Primary School) 1st to 4th class;  5-9 year old pupils Gymnasium (Secondary School) 5th to 13th class; 9 to 18 year old pupils.

So - if you have entered school with 5 years you will finish it with 17 years and could start to study.

Regulary you will finish in Germany with 18 the school, but its also possible that some are 1 or 2 years older because they had to repeat a class.

anyone else think this odd?

A 4th/fifth grader in the same school as a senior in high school/freshman in college?

[Elfenwolf]

Yeah, but remember, no matter how good the fisherman there's some fish that can't be caught- the Toad fish, for instance. He's too smart to have been an Air Force pilot- he must have been a Navy pilot.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Eagler


anyone else think this odd?

A 4th/fifth grader in the same school as a senior in high school/freshman in college?

Was very common in small towns all across America back in the conservative old days

Probably still a few 1 room school houses around.

and Elfy.......don't ya think that one might be a little too deep in the weeds?

 

[Ripsnort]

To clarify what I think Midnights targets point is..is this: When you troll professionally, no one ever takes your point of view seriously anymore...

[midnight Target]

OTOH, I think EW may be the most talented writer on the BBS, and I thoroughly enjoy his stuff.

[SirLoin]

The Germans needed gun control laws in 1939.

[Ripsnort]

Why do these people do it?  Well, here's a related story:

20 year found guilty in plot to murder students

I will be a god," Farris quoted Deguzman as saying. "(My) death will be
                   more significant to all mankind than any religion or god created in the last
                   3,000 years."

[Kanth]

The problem is that gun laws only control the people who follow the law.

People will want to be able to protect themselves against the criminals toting the guns.  

Otherwise you have one person with the power to kill many people who cannot defend themselves = massacre

I think one answer is to make a gun that is useless unless  in it's owners hand.

Kanthy

Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Amazing how this is immediately politicized to put an anti-gun control slant on it. The way to avoid these types of gun tragedies is to have LESS gun control? Uh....I'm having trouble following that logic.

Miko, statistics show that in America your handgun is more likely to kill you or a member of your family rather than an outlaw. I hardly think arming everyone will cut down on gun deaths, and indeed, may actually increase gun deaths.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by SirLoin
The Germans needed gun control laws in 1939.

Gun control, the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, was introduced to Germany in 1928 under the Weimar regime (there was no Right to Arms in the Constitution of 1919) in large part to disarm the nascent private armies, e.g. the Nazi SA (aka "the brownshirts"). The Weimar government was     attempting to bring some stability to German society and politics (a classic "law and order" position). Violent extremist movements (of both the Left and Right) were actively attacking the young, and very fragile, democratic state. A government that cannot maintain some degree of public order cannot sustain its legitimacy. Nor was the German citizenry well grounded in Constitutional, republican government (as was evidenced in their choices at the ballot box). Gun control was not initiated at the behest or on behalf of the Nazis - it was in fact designed to keep them, or others of the same ilk, from executing a revolution against the lawful government. In the strictest sense, the law succeeded - the Nazis did not stage an armed coup.

[GtoRA2]

Eflenwolfs stuff is awsome! lol he should write for the onion!

[Kanth]

They do it because these people need to die in order for them to gain something.

Situations and somethings will vary from person to person But,
in all cases of murder, this is the reason why.

Kanthy

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Why do these people do it?  Well, here's a related story:

20 year found guilty in plot to murder students

 

[-dead-]

outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns

Doh! By definition! And don't forget kids: this applies to any crime - outlaw murder, and only outlaws will murder people. Outlaw anthrax and only outlaws will have anthrax. etc. etc.
Why not try this for stupid quotes: "Convictions cause criminals"

When are gun control advocates going to realize the obvious?
A criminal is such for many reasons. Too many to list here. Is a criminal going to avoid getting or using a gun because...it's illegal?

Ahhh the impeccable logic - So we should forget about all weapon control altogether?:
When are sink/ knife/ gun/ hand grenade/ tank/ helicopter/ missile/ smallpox/ anthrax/ nerve gas/ nuke* control advocates going to realize the obvious?
A criminal is such for many reasons. Too many to list here. Is a criminal going to avoid getting or using a sink/ knife/ gun/ hand grenade/ tank/ helicopter/ missile/ smallpox/ anthrax/ nerve gas/ nuke* because...it's illegal?
*delete those items that you feel are too dangerous to be owned by individuals and/or governments like Iraq, Iran, North Korea, or that most evil of countries, (insert current local scapegoat here). Any similarity to feelings of hypocrisy that you may encounter are strictly coincidental.

Toad at least has a better point - people do all the actual killing and inanimate objects aren't to blame.
Some inanimate objects are however specifically designed to make it easier for people to kill said people - if guns are so innocent, why do all armies use them for the express purpose of killing people? Taking this a bit further: killing someone would appear to not be a "perverted" use of a gun - in fact in the case of guns & ammo designed for the military, any use of a gun apart from killing people should really be considered the "perverted" use.
If people were mature, rational, sentient and sensible, then I'd be much less opposed to them be armed. However people are far too often given to being outstandingly stupid and evil to each other, as Toad points out. Indeed the german kid mentioned above goes even further to prove the point. Another obvious point about guns springs up as well - the death toll of 18 people - could he really have achieved that armed only with a bathroom sink? I'm betting no.
So I feel that giving people the right to own guns is as dangerous and irresponsible as giving toddlers a bottle of bleach to play with (I can almost hear the National Bleach Association advocates now: "hey - only criminal toddlers will use the bleach to kill someone", "bleach doesn't kill toddlers, toddlers kill toddlers").