CV strike aircraft only 2 choices.

[brady]

Check this out...


  http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49988

[ra]

Maybe so, but if you are serious about taking a field from a CV, grab a HogC or D, or F6F.

ra

[brady]

Well with the handeling and spead  I bet it would take them without to much trouble in a fight, or at least stand a fighting chance as apposed to the other choices, which I think is mostly the point:)

[J_A_B]

If Brady wasn't biased against the addition of American aircraft, the SB2 Helldiver would also be on his short list.  It's among the few CV strike planes that might actually find a niche in the MA, thanks to the 20mm Hispanos it carries.  Plus it actually flew off carriers a lot, unlike a certain suggested Japanese plane.

J_A_B

[brady]

J_A_B, I am not biased agast the adation of US planes, I am very happy were are geting the Wildcat and the Boston, and I am very hopefull we are geting the P 40, I have also campainged for the Coranado, and other US planes.The reasion the Helldiver is not on my list is that it was a big POS, the British refused to use it becauses of this, and the two planes on my list were both better than it was. I am atempting to pic and champion the best plane for the openings we have.

Seriously why do we want to add a plane that is going to just sit in the hanger deck, if we get a jill, or a kate, the only people who are going to be happy about this are the US plane lovers who are looking forward to reliving the marians turkey shoot during some scenario that is going to play once a year. Their eys glaze over as they ponder the posabalities of diving into packs of heavely loaded and virtualy defensless Japanse strike aircraft.Why is it going to just sit in the hanger deck because anyone who wanted to optimise their fun is going to up a TBM instead,The Best Japanese strike plane is the Grace.We all live in the MA, or the CT that what we nead planes for not a once a year scenario.

[J_A_B]

Brady, I've seen so many "no more US planes" posts from you that I must ask--have you changed your opinion regarding plane nationality additions?

As for the Helldiver, I'm not so sure it would suck so badly in AH.  It has the all-important Hispanos (unlike the TBM), plus the AH MA doesn't re-create real-world conditions.   The Me-110 is widely known to have sucked, yet it can do fine in AH.  

The Grace would also be a great addition for the MA although its scenario potential is even lower than that of the SB2.

I suspect we're going to end up with the Dauntless and Val.

J_A_B

[brady]

Generaly J_A_B, I am apposed to addations of redundant US equipment, B 24 for example,and I do feal that their are a dispreportionant amount of US equipment in the game, howeaver their are exception's to every rule, and dispite my fealings to the contrary I do endevore to be objective, the adation of early war US equipment is important to me as it is to a lot of others, Pyro once said he does not pick a plane to be added by nationality rather by how well it fills a whole in the game. The Cornado (US)would fill a whole and be the best plane choice to fill that whole, flying boats, no other flying boat could cary as big a bombload and brandish the defensive firepower it could, the closest thing would be the Emily(Japanese), although it's bomb load was much smaler.

  The Grace is a better plane than the Helldiver, and their fore (other than the Firefly), the better plane for inclushion we already have a US carier strike plane and a darn good one at that, why not add a Grace for the Japanese it was a CV capable plane fully equiped for CV operations, granted it only operated from land bases, my interest is in adding a plane for the Japanese that is capable and verstile and brings somthing to the table for them and that can be used every day, not once a month or once a year in a special event.

 Quotes from Bombers of WW2 ISBN # 1-56799-683-3:

  "the only thing wron was the aircraft itself.To a man the US Navy prefered the old SBD, which simply kept on in the forfront of the battle"

 "The other mass-produced Curtiss of WW2 was the SO3C Seamew, and it is doubtful if two less-successful aircraft have been ever built in numbers."

 " The experance played a magor part in the decline of the once pre-ement names of Curtis and Wright in the imediate post war era"

 "Structural weakness, generaly poor handeling, shockingly inadequate stabality(espichaly in yaw and pitch) and unexceptable stall characteristics."

 " crashes, inflight breakups and carier landing accidents continued at the very top of the league table"

 " To everyone in the US Navy this aircraft was The Beast"

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by brady
my interest is in adding a plane for the Japanese that is capable and verstile and brings somthing to the table for them and that can be used every day, not once a month or once a year in a special event.

It's pretty lame that Combat Theater guy isn't interested in the carrier duels of 1942.

[brady]

I am interested in that, But I feal I nead to be bigger than that more objective, and think of the comunity at large first wheir people spend 90% of their time rather than where they spend a fraction of their time, as it is the Japanese have a very mismatched plane set, the have a late war bomber and a later war fighter that are very good, and a late war Zero, and the Tony More or less a mid war fighter for them, as a CT Stafer it is very didicult to creat a balenced plane set for the CT for Japan having the planes incompleat for each of the earas. We have the A6M2 and say we get the kate, now we have to ealy war Japanese planes, how am I suposed to designe a CT set up in the early war with those two planes alone, I cant imagine that HTC would add a Betty and an Oscar, and a Val, and an Emily and a Ki 45, or a Helin. In the long term yes it would be great i would love to see it, In the Short term finish the late war Japanese set add a Ki 84, a ki 102 or a Grace, heck even a Juddy would be better than a set spread out incompleat over the entire war, I know they work hard, but I simply do not see a ton of Japanese planes on the Horision and I would like the ones we get be more effective in terms of usage in the CT and the MA. I can do a lot with a late to mid war plane set and not a lot of planes nead be added to do that.

[jordi]

We all know stats lie . . but here I go . . .

For the last complete tour 18 different Fighter planes ( or varients ) accounted for 83% of all the KILLS ( Minus Bomber, GV and gunenr kills ).

Of those 18 the breakdown by nationality are

C.205

A6M5b
N1K2

Bf 109G-10
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190D-9

SeaFire
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire V
Typhoon IB

La-7
Yak-9U

F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F6F-5
P-38L
P-47-D30
P-51D

Of those plane types they represented x % of the total number of KILLS by nationality.

Italian - 2%
Japanese - 14%
USA - 33%
Russian - 11%
RAF - 27%
German - 13%

Between 20% and 50% of each nationalitys planes were in the top 18 list.

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So to me it LOOKS like there are plenty of Mid-Late war planes available and in use for all countries.

Why HT may be thinking of adding more Early war planes is up to them. Maybe they feel there are enough Mid/Late war planes to keep people happy for a while and it is time to turn thier attention somewhere else ? HEck maybe they LIKE Early war planes ?

Just a guess - Your milage may vary.

Jordi

[brady]

What does that,half to do with the price of beans?

  I am talking about adding strike aircraft for the most part, only one plane I mentioned above was a fighter, the rest are either bombers or strike/ atack aircraft, Besides the Japanese have only one late war fighter that is truly competave, the George, how many does the US have???,5! now how is that representave for the Japanese?