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Offline humble

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« on: April 26, 2002, 09:19:39 PM »
Is it just me or is the nikki reporked?

Watched all the old games....stall out push nose down drop 500 and zoom 2k. As far as I'm concerned the nikki is the 1 FM that has no basis in reality. The plane was designed as a bomber interceptor not a dogfighter. At least just put a ki-84 skin on the FM...I could live with that.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2002, 10:13:30 PM »
I was thinking this same thing a couple of days ago.  There I was... alone 1:1 against an N1K in my Hellcat.  We danced a little on the merge and each got a few hits on each other... I managed to get an aileron and he pinged me a couple of times with no visible damage.  Unfortunately... I was completely out of ammo and had to egress the fight.

I got him in a turn fight where I had a couple of notches of flap and I managed to gain position when he panicked and made an agressive evasive allowing me to point my nose down and run for home.  He noticed what I was doing and came around about 700 yards behind me and pinged me a couple more times.

Then I left him in the dust.

Yep... that N1K2... its just too damn uber.  Uber speed... uber turning and uber guns.

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2002, 10:35:16 PM »
Yawn, I like it just the way it was, before the operation to prevent it from breading,now it is slow and slugish.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2002, 11:06:15 PM »
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Yawn, I like it just the way it was, before the operation to prevent it from breading,now it is slow and slugish.


so do I...

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2002, 12:12:26 AM »
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prevent it from breading


What -- it hovers, it streaks, AND it makes tempura?

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2002, 12:45:10 AM »
AkDeja my guess is that the n1k you flew against was either a VERY green pilot or he had elevator damage.

No way in blue hell you'd be able to pull that off against an experienced pilot in the n1kki.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2002, 12:57:49 AM »
I think it is just you, actually...  

The N1K2 is slow.  It accelerates really well, but it is still slow.  Just about every other 1944-1945 fighter can outrun it.  The climb rate is OK.  Since they nuetered it, N1K2s are actually pretty easy to rope a dope, way easier than I find Spits to be.  

Just my opinion though.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2002, 01:01:41 AM »
Urchin what about being able to turnfight it in hellcat and actually leave winning?

N1kki is slow in level flight, but it accelerates so fast in dives that it's near to impossible to shake if it's in a good position to follow.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2002, 02:24:04 AM »
If Dejavu was on his tail then it would be comparitively easy to get away.  All he has to do is fly away- the N1K has to turn around.  If the Hellcat has a big enough headstart it can get away no problem.

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2002, 03:25:00 AM »
People have a hard time accepting that the n1k2 is an exceptional airplane, almost as good as the spitIX, on the deck it may even be superior .

 As for the ki84 reference, the n1k2 should have better handling characteristics than the ki84, especially at high speed .

The hellcat is a huge heavy fighter, on par with the p47 . If an f4u can hang with a hellcat in a stallfight, what hope does it have vs a n1k2.  About as much as it had in real life .
« Last Edit: April 27, 2002, 03:28:28 AM by Samm »

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2002, 05:59:46 AM »
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AkDeja my guess is that the n1k you flew against was either a VERY green pilot or he had elevator damage.

No way in blue hell you'd be able to pull that off against an experienced pilot in the n1kki.


I have to agree. A great deal depends upon the skills and experience of the person flying the N1K2, as well as the tactical situation at the outset of the fight. With the exception of maximum speed (often meaningless) and a slight advantage in initial dive acceleration, the N1K2 is superior to the Hellcat. I like the F6F-5. I fly it frequently, and generally do very well air to air with it. Most of my losses have been to ack and flak. However, I also have been flying the N1K2 this tour. I find the Niki to be the better fighter. OTOH, the Hellcat is a better fighter-bomber, and carefully flown, can duke it out with virtually anything. Yet for some reason, I have no trouble with the Hellcat myself, scoring at 33/3. Of these, I shot down 5 with the Niki (for no losses), and two others with the Hellcat. My losses to the F6F-5 include two Ostwinds and 1 Spitfire, and that was a proximity credit, as I was whacked by field ack and crashed on the runway. Air to air, I'm 20/0 against the F6F-5. Nonetheless, if one wants to know what the Hellcat is capable of, just examine Mathman's stats.

When I fight Hellcats, I always try to break down its energy. I do this by forcing the pilot to turn. If I can get him into a scissors, he's in deep bandini. To survive, he MUST keep his speed at or above corner. Let it fall below 250 and a decent Niki pilot will kill him forthwith.  

A good F6F pilot can hold his own with Nikis, provided that he keep his energy up and/or avoids level turns. AkDejaVu was clearly the better pilot that day.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2002, 06:31:25 AM »
It's proof of Roswell....I want to believe

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2002, 07:07:43 AM »
F6f had the biggest wing area of any U.S. ww2 fighter.  Just because a plane is big doesnt make it a dog.

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2002, 11:11:52 AM »
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AkDeja my guess is that the n1k you flew against was either a VERY green pilot or he had elevator damage.

No way in blue hell you'd be able to pull that off against an experienced pilot in the n1kki.
I've out-turned many a N1K2 with my F6F-5....

And green does not account for leaving the N1K2 behind.

Besides.. he didn't spray and pray... controlled bursts... and decent moves.

BTW... there are pilots in every type of plane that can hand it to me when I encounter them.  The main gripe seems to be that this plane makes every pilot an ace.  It simply is not true.

And.. there was no "elevator shot".  I hit is wing.. I watched his aileron go.  No need to try to make it sound worse than it really was.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2002, 11:40:57 AM »
I wish I could kill N1K's when I fly my Hellcat.  Damn, that plane is just too uber.:rolleyes: