just me....or is the nikki reporked

[mrsid2]

Any plane can be killed. That's simple.. just bounce it with a couple friends.

But meet him co-alt co-e face to face.. I'd prefer to be in a n1k than a hellcat.

[AKEagle+]

But meet him co-alt co-e face to face..

Co-alt? Co-E?  Face to face?  Now there is a recipe for dying fast!

I'd only do that IF  

1. I had flown stupid.  (fly stupid die stupid, that's me!)  

or

2. I wuz furballing.  I lose about 90 IQ points when I see a furball


AKEagle+

[mrsid2]

Yeah thats the basis on 'uberness.'

If someone states they turnfought the 'porked' nikki and won in hellcat I assume he did that co-alt co-e and 1 vs 1.

Otherwise if hellcat had advantage to start with, thats no sign that nikki would be porked or inferior to hellcat.

[brady]

I used to come and play in these anti N1K2-j posts all the time, and aparentaly I am reliving my childhood:),The reasion I stoped is this for the msot part they seam to be from the opinion that people have a hard time excepting that a Japanese plane can preform so well, even it it was designed to do just what it does do so well, that is of little concern. What we are fighting are decades of propaganda. I was having lunch with so coliges from wook and some how we got on the subject of WW2 planes and the Zero came up, every one of them ( all men in their 40's and 50's) thought it was coppied from a US design and built porely and that why we wone the war! None of them beleaved me that it was an Indiginious design and a better fighter in the begining of the war and that it had superbably trained crews.
  People regulary complain about fighting aganst spits and seeing spits all the time, they do not complane about how well built it is, how well it preforms, or how well it handels they do not question this, they do not question the fact that the 20mm hispanos used to jam alot, they do question the fact that the Georges engines were unreliable at times and should be loked at.
   
  Every body say's just wait till we get the Ki 84, well the Ki 84 has the same engine as the N1K2-J, and the same gun's as the Tony(Ki-61) and does not handel as well as the George, for the mosst part and for most of the combat in the MA the George is going to still be the best Japanese fighter.

[MANDOBLE]

After last "fix", F6F is a fast and blue N1K2.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
After last "fix", F6F is a fast and blue N1K2.

ie, it outperform's some luftwaffe plane in at least one or two catagories.

-Sikboy

[AKEagle+]

Otherwise if hellcat had advantage to start with, thats no sign that nikki would be porked or inferior to hellcat.

I am not sure that it is the FM that makes the difference (as the original post claimed the FM is now porked) as much as the pilot.

I fly the NIK in base defense, although, now I am taking the F4UD more and more, even for base defense.  Getting vulched taking off and flying low and slow is losing it's appeal.  I am preferring to fly faster and higher.

But for many sim pilots, at least IMVHO, it seems that they prefer whining on a BBS that the FM is porked over analyzing what they are doing wrong and trying to correct their bad ACM.  When you make the mental move from being a victim, at the mercy of a pooched FM,  to being a victor who can learn how to leverage the attributes of your favorite mount, you make a big step towards manhood.

The NIK is a deadly mount, but it is not a twirling kill bot.  You can whine about it being porked, and you can whine about it being uber.  Or, you can learn to fight it, and you can learn to fly it.

You really do have choices.  That may be an epiphany for some players.


AKEagle+

[brady]

AKEagle+, well said....

[Wotan]

people should just adjust there flying to how the plane performs "in-game" not to the mental picture they created from some propaganda book they read. This goes for all planes.


We all want realistic fms and I dont think it would be in the interest of anyone to make 1 plane better then the data.

Why?

if you have hard data that shows clearly something is wrong then provide it. In the meantime you may want to adjust how you fight vrs a niki. You may find it aint quite as "uber" as you think.

fyi

wotan has 21 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.

[Creamo]

In the height of the Chog BBS rants, I remember Fatty saying something like, “Whine all you want, the N1K2 is way better/deadly”. Soon after, maybe post perk, this old crappola started.


FM is arbitrary at best. I find it impossible to believe HTC has a single plane so porked.

Now this might be a Laz2 type conclusion, but if it gives you fits, fight it in a Dora, it becomes a toothless target. If in an early war ride, it’s a beast to tangle with, but it WAS a good late war fighter. ( I still can't hit with the guns as well as the FW's, but the ammo load helps)

Buy and read “Samurai”, pry the best WWII fighter book I’ve read. That guy was a monster in a Zeke, and points out a few N1K2 observations.

Matter fact, read it, the next update will be very anticipating.

[Mathman]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
After last "fix", F6F is a fast and blue N1K2.

How so Mandoble?  I fly the F6F all the time and have yet to see it do anyhting that resembles what people allege the N1K2 has been doing in the game.  Please explain to me what you mean by this.

[Urchin]

I think he means it outperforms at least one Luftwaffe aircraft in one or more categories... honestly.  Perhaps it is just me and my bad day, but this incessent whining is stupid.

Waaa Waaa... the N1K2 killed me in my Spit I, or 109E4, or anything that is basically early war.  

Big diddlying deal.  You are flying a plane that was made in 1940, to fight other 1940 planes.  You fight a 1944 plane in a 1940 plane, the odds are good that you are going to die no matter how 'good' you may be.

Or..

Waaa Waaaa.. the N1K2 killed me when I was in a P-51D, La-7, etc., basically anything late war.  

Tough toejam.  If you are flying ANY of the 1944-1945 planes and someone in a N1K2 kills you, it is because YOU screwed up.  The N1K2 has ALREADY been castrated because to many people were whining about it.  It isn't even half the plane it was before they 'fixed it' (literally and figuratively)... if you are STILL getting killed by N1K2's in your P-51 or La-7 or whatever late war 'speed demon', you need to film all your fights so YOU can figure out what YOU are doing wrong.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Urchin
I think he means it outperforms at least one Luftwaffe aircraft in one or more categories.

Whoa, sounds familiar

-Sikboy

[Urchin]

vv. i plagerized you.  Couldn't be bothered to hit 'quote' though

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Urchin
vv. i plagerized you.  Couldn't be bothered to hit 'quote' though

That's ok, I think I'm on Mandys ignore list anyhow

-Sikboy