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Offline Esme

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Query re. upcoming TOD's
« on: April 30, 2002, 02:01:20 AM »
Hi all!

Can anyone tell me what TOD's are planned (preferably on Saturdays, but the Friday ones may be of interest too) during May and June?

Reason I'm asking is that a small bunch of KG2 pilots from WB are looking to try AH during their free 2 weeks in a scenario game of one kind or another, and I've already established that there's nothing on, except for TOD's between now and August.

Also, we are a specialist bomber unit.  Yes, as individuals we can and do fly fighters now and then, but flying togther as KG2 we are a bomber unit. Thats what we practice, that's what we do; those of us wanting to practice fighter stuff go and do so with other units.  Given we've just 3 members as yet in AH (all European), and 2-4 WB members that may want/be able to flytheir 2 weeks free AH in the near future, can anyone reccomend how best to give the WB lads a taste of organised scenario action here?  I'm still very much learning the ropes here myself... :-}

Btw, a further question; I know the TOD rules regarding types of planes flown, but might there be special dispensation for a unit that would prefer to fly bombers to do so whenever the scenario sensibly allows?

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2002, 07:47:49 AM »
You've probably already noticed that on May 10th we have a BoB scenario going which has room for a Ju-88 squadron.  But that's the Friday night ToD. I don't know if anyone else really wants to fly those buffs, so I doubt that you'd have trouble finding a slot. But I'd practice bombdrops off line a lot lol.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2002, 10:43:05 AM »
We don't have a schedule of what we're doing next.

Only thing I can tell you right now is Friday TOD will run a BoB setup on the 10th, 17th, and 24th.  the 31st will be an open date, and I'm not sure what Skernsk will run in June.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2002, 11:01:12 AM »
We are adding more CM's this week. They will replace the Saturday CM's who have/will step down (AKnim, sax, ammo)  because of real life conflicts. We have to train them before we can get another Saturday TOD up and running.

I hope by Mid or late May the Saturday TOD will run again.

Sorry for the delay esme. Feel free to contact me at home or work if you have any other questions. Be glad to help anyway I can. :)

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2002, 07:41:52 PM »
Errr maybee it wil be Sundays TOD insted of Saturdays:D (ohh pleas pleas pleas!!;) )

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51994
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2002, 01:18:48 PM »
Many thanks for the replies, guys! :-)

I very much hope that the Saturday TOD's stay Saturdays, or are otherwise at Euro-friendly days and times.  I've had to take a step-back from too much late-night flying lately - particularly early Monday mornings - they're just too damned hard on my system to cope with as a regular thing anymore.

Sikboy, I'm puzzled as to why you're advising a bomber unit CO of two years experience to practice bombing offline a lot... -not offended, or anything, just puzzled...  If you mean practice LASER-bombing MA_style for field closure, (shrugs) no. It's deadly dull and unhistorical.   Learn the target types in AH? sure, am already on that one (finally printed off parts of the help file yesterday :-} )  

And no, I had NOT heard about BoB being run (else I'd not have been asking what was on the way! :-} ), though I had guessed that that was upcoming, but  I expected it in August.  

I'd also add that it's a sad state of affairs that anyone should remark "I doubt anyone else really wants to fly those buffs".  :-} Without bombers, all you have is MA-style furballing. Fighters existed to stop enemy bombers and to protect ones own bombers. There were more bombers than fighters in most air forces most of the time in WW2.  And bombers are more versatile than fighters.... (chuckle...) (puts wooden stirring spoon away ;-) )

I know, I know; many people regard bombers as nothing more than easy targets. But then, maybe they havent come up against organised dedicated bomber units before   Hopefully, within a few months time, they'll get their chance.  I'm quite surprised to see there don't appear to be any dedicated Allied bomber units around, unless I've overlooked them?

Anyway, I look forward to when KG2 is ready to take part in organised games, and especially TOD in Aces High.  I know it'll be another hard baptism of fire for the unit; I've seen some darned good pilots in action already in the few weeks I've been here, and I don't relish being on the wrong end of their gunsights, as we undoubtedly will be from time to time. But then... they have to find us, first! :-)  

all, and good hunting!

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2002, 02:38:15 PM »
Us Dedicated Bomber people are few and far between is feels like sometimes !

Almost ALL Scenarios ( And most TOD's ) require the Bomber people do thier BEST inorder for thier side to win.

After flying in a few TOD's and Scenarios you will find the closet Bomber pilots amoungst us !

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2002, 02:48:04 PM »
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Us Dedicated Bomber people are few and far between is feels like sometimes !
Yeah it does seem that way sometimes...  Well, you already know me, Esme, and I think know that I am strictly a bomber-type when it comes to aircraft.  If I'm not in a bomber in the air, I am in a vehicle on the ground.  :)  Great to see you are interested in the TODs, I am sure you and your squad will soon make your mark!  :D

If the Saturday TOD is changed to Sunday, I think it will be at the same time - I definitely don't want to be CMing too late at night.  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2002, 04:00:27 PM »
Flossy, Jordi...

Your rarity is what makes you so priceless. It's why we love you so much, and would die without you. Thank you for your years and years of service... No really. Thanks :)

Esme,

I'm puzzled at your puzzlement.
If you're bringing a bunch of people over from another sim, it seems to me that you would want to take some time and figure out the bomb targets, proceedure (is the process the same in WB as in AH... F6, zoom, look down? ect. Not having flown WB, I don't know what else might be different you might ask Flossy and Jordi). Also, I suggested that you practice OFFLINE, since you wouldn't want to burn your two weeks until you were ready to get into the TOD on the 10th.

I believed that you would have seen the BoB setup only because there was already a post about it when I posted my reply. Bombers, fighters, fly whatever you want.


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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2002, 01:45:30 AM »
Ah, I see, Sikboy! :-)   Thing is, we are heartily sick of hyper-accurate completely unrealistic laser-bombing.  We'd like to see tons-on-target have some useful effect - in WB that is exactly what KG2 and the other dedicated bomber units are doing, and it looks as if there's some hope that kind of thing might get implemented before I start drawing a pension, even!

Learning to bomb AH-side took me about 2 minutes (and most of that was spent finding the command to look through the sight), it's similar enough to WB.  Learning about the targets... (shrugs) we PREFER to just be told what to bomb and go do it, but aye, we do research what is needed to destroy what sufficiently for our purposes.  I've no doubt that the WB lads will have no problems on that score - most of 'em are better bombardiers than me, anyway... :-}  (we've also been looking at other sims due to dissatisfaction with WB for so long that learning new setups is almost second nature now! We also do SERIOUS amounts of offline testing of various things even in games we're familiar with, anyway :-} )

I'm not on my 2 weeks; I have had a paying account now for a few weeks. It's the rest of the WB KG2 crew that will be on their 2 weeks trial (and one of those, my friend Raisen, has flown a little online AH from my account to try it out).  KG2 already has two "local" recruits, and we're getting as much airtime together as we can, finding out what works and what does not in AH. Low-level flak is way over-modelled in some respects in AH (no "wake-up" time, bit over-accurate IMO), though I like the high-level flak being something to be feared rather than being completely ignorable.

It was always the case that when flying as KG2, you'd never find me in anything other than a bomber or transport plane. Given the TOD rules,  I may well have to be a bit flexible on that, but it's what I'd prefer.  I'd also prefer to stay Axis-side if possible, but again, the rules decree otherwise. Maybe as and when attendance is large enough and reliable enough...? :-)  Main thing is I'm happy to do my bit to help make the game succeed and be fun for all concerned.

Doubt very much we'll be taking part in a Friday TOD - even more unsociable hours than the WB S3's are, though with the advantage of the following day being Saturday rather than Friday, tis  true.

Jordi; our best, aye, we give that. But we hate the "MA-flip" (wild gyrations to kill multiple targets per plane with one bomb per target, over 2-3 passes), preferrring to do drops in as few passes as we can, and in as realistic a manner as we can.  We fly as if our lives actually depended on it, when we fly "seriously", and wil abort an attack rather than die pointlessly. Despite which, KG2 in WB became one of the most effective units in WB.

Yes, Flossy, you personally are an even more dedicated bomber pilot than I am! :-)  I do fly fighters for fun when not flying KG2 raids.  Was fun "winging" with you in those Ostwinds the other week.... - nice to have flown on a few MA missions along with you, too.  What I had in mind more was units that concentrate on bombers as a unit... I'd love to see large organised bomber raids in the MA (as well as elsewhere). Might even try setting some up myself, once I have some more experience.

Anyway - it's kinda nice being almost back at the start of things with the unit here, having the fun of learning the ropes, building the team up, meeting new people online... :-)

all, and many thanks to those who've already been helpful in various ways, and to everyone for being so friendly!

Esme

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2002, 12:14:31 PM »
That reminds me.... Jordi, Flossy, anyone...Do wind layers have an effect on Bombs in AH? I was just wondering.

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2002, 12:24:55 PM »
Not that Ive noticed.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2002, 04:50:47 PM »
Esme just a little fyi the ah buff model is going to be redone Sabre interviewed ht at the last ah con. I cant find the link to that article but I will ask sabre.

Ht had planned the buff revamp for the last release but had to put it aside to deal with a better strat and terrain issues.

Once these get worked out I assume ht is still planning on addressing the buffs in ah. From the way it sounds once implemented your skill as a bomber pilot will be needed.

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2002, 09:52:47 PM »
Wotan, how do you mean the buff model will be redone? That could mean quite a lot of things! :-)  I do hope the engine management controls are made to work something like properly! (dont have to be exactly as per the real plane, but RPM's SHOULD drop fuel use rate, etc... so long as it does so in a reasonable way, it's a start).

I'd also like to find out just what parameters the CMs can play with (bullet lethality? Whether flak can have a "wake-up" delay for NOE attackers? Different icon settings by day and night and in clouds? Many others of interest to me too...). To what extent can CM's alter an arena between a kind of "easy mode" and ultra-real?

(Chuckle..) I wouldnt claim to be particularly skilled, m'dear, but particularly dedicated to a certain type of bomber flying, aye.  It's the teamwork of the unit working together and the amount of preparation we put into things that made us stand out and succeed in WB. I'm hoping we can make the magic work here, too.  By myself, I'm a decidedly mediocre bomber pilot, aside from the actual piloting bit. :-}

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2002, 05:55:24 PM »
Esme what HT hinted at is that there will be some changes which make targeting bombs closer to the kind of results that could be achieved WW2.  In conjunction with this change they will implement a system for automated wingmen.  Unmanned bombers who stay on your wing and drop when the lead bombardier drops.

As far as arena setup, you can access all the tools in the menus on your clipboard.  You can use them to try different settings offline and in H2H.