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Offline AKIron

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Interesting article. Wonder if it has a chance of passing.

http://www.fortune.com/ontech/207328.html#monday

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2002, 10:06:29 AM »
I just read an article about this.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=25230&a=25544,00.asp

This type of legislation is going to have the reverse effect.  It will cause consumers to shy away from the new technology.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2002, 11:10:08 AM »
You guys aint seen nuthin yet.

Wait until the phone companies convince the FCC they need to be able to bill broadband users on a usage basis.  Yes, they have already proposed it to the FCC and it is still being looked at.  Try and guess the ramifications of this act.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2002, 11:16:45 AM »
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You guys aint seen nuthin yet.

Wait until the phone companies convince the FCC they need to be able to bill broadband users on a usage basis.  Yes, they have already proposed it to the FCC and it is still being looked at.  Try and guess the ramifications of this act.


 That's the day I go back to dial up or quit the net all together.  Broadband is nice, but it aint that nice.  They do that and I bet the demand drops through the floor.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2002, 12:28:30 PM »
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You guys aint seen nuthin yet.

Wait until the phone companies convince the FCC they need to be able to bill broadband users on a usage basis.  Yes, they have already proposed it to the FCC and it is still being looked at.  Try and guess the ramifications of this act.


nah, don't see it happening

Broadbrand and digital technologies are going to be the next economic boom. If anything I see the price getting regulated down to around the $20/$25 mark for broadband to speed the process of its distribution...

HD, interactive television/computer/phone - an all in one device for the home - coming to a store near you soon... pushed by ad sales/marketing :)
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2002, 12:34:11 PM »
Well Udie, the phone companies want to shut down the cable ISP's as well as us little guys.

This would do the trick, pretty effectively too.  The cable modem ISP's would get hit with enormous bills for the backbone connections to the Internet, and they are already struggling financially.
I think the phone companies did this as they see the Tauzin-Dingle bill floundering around in Congress.  Smart move on thier part.  Also, pushing this through the FCC gets Congress out of the loop.
Of course if this passes,  you will no longer see any Internet gaming, of any kind.

I do not think it will get passed, but the phone companies are not going to stop trying until they own the Internet.  I mean it would be a dream come true for the telephone companies.  Having consumers in another strangle hold and in an unregulated environment is probably the biggest dream the telephone companies could ever have.
There is a chance it could pass as the telcos have been able to get away with murder lately.  The FCC seems to be as weak an entity as it could get these days.

Consumer apathy is at an all time high, the FCC is weak as a limp noodle, and the government is pretty clueless about what is going on in the real world.  Pretty lousy setup, if you ask me.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2002, 12:35:25 PM »
Eagler, the phone companies are counting on guys like you.  Sure it is going to be a boom, and the phone companies want to own it.

If you do not acknowledge that, then you will be at thier mercy,..sooner than later.

And I would not hold me breath for regulated princing to get that low.  The installation of the equipment to cover broadband is very, very high and that is not changing.

Did you know the price for 1 mile of a single fiber strand to get laid is almost $19,000.00 (U.S.)?  We are talking about the cost of the fiber and conduit, not the labor required, nor the equipment at each end of the strand.  The phone companies will not eat that cost, you can be assured of that.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2002, 12:46:41 PM »
It's going to be the cable companies or the telephone.
Which is the lesser of the two evils? :)
Or one doing both.
Who has fiber optic closer to the home now?
Me thinks as soon as an affordable fiber to home connection is available, whoever has the fiber to the home will win out.
Whoever tries charging for broadband by the bandwidth would quickly see the demise of its convience. They need to push for the growth of its availability now and for a while until the numbers btwn dialup and broadband have reversed themselves.
I see it getting cheaper with advertising of various means making up the difference.
They, marketing, want to know your interests and market you accordingly.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2002, 01:47:43 PM »
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It's going to be the cable companies or the telephone.
Which is the lesser of the two evils? :)


Uh,..it is a toss up.  But if I were a betting man, the cable companies are going to lose.  All of them are bleeding red ink in thier ISP operations.  Unlike @home though, they will not sit still for it.
I know Charter is talking about raising thier price again.
Here's a question for you Eagler, when was the last time your cable price dropped?


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Or one doing both.


If it goes that way, the phone companies would be the winners for sure.  Cable companies cannot and will not be able to offer phone calls over thier system, as they cannot pass the current FCC regulations for QOS.
To do so would require billions to be invested and basically duplicate the current phone companies infrastructure.

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Who has fiber optic closer to the home now?


Actually, the phone companies have more fiber in the ground they are not using than the cable companies have in total use.  My neighborhood has no fiber from the cable company, and many still do not.


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Me thinks as soon as an affordable fiber to home connection is available, whoever has the fiber to the home will win out.


It is not about the medium though.  It is about the service.  Current cable operations cannot meet QOS.  To do so, would require more money than they have.
Uhmmm,..I have assumed people know what QOS is.  Let me explain.  In its simplest form, if one house loses its phone service in a neighborhood, other homes would continue to operate.
Cable companies place one cable for many homes and thus if this cable is damaged, or needs to be replaced, a whole block of homes are without service.
This situation is not allowed by law for phone service.
Also, repair times are very regulated for phone service.  Cable repair times are not regulated.  The cable companies would go bankrupt trying to hire and train enough staff to deal with repair times measured in hours.


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Whoever tries charging for broadband by the bandwidth would quickly see the demise of its convience. They need to push for the growth of its availability now and for a while until the numbers btwn dialup and broadband have reversed themselves.


Eagler, you are not seeing the big picture here.  Anyone and everyone would be paying for usage over boradband if this is passed by the FCC.  The phone companies could care less if you drop off the service.  This is a way to kill the cable ISP's and the independent ISP's, which allows the phone company to control the Internet.
The fastest way for the phone companies to grow thier subscriber base is to find a way to shut down all competing services.  That is the goal, and you need to realize it.  I am not being paranoid here.  Look at the amount of money being tossed at bills that give the phone companies absolute control over the phone network.  At last count it was over $90M U.S.
They do not throw that kind of money at politicians just to save other companies.


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I see it getting cheaper with advertising of various means making up the difference.
They, marketing, want to know your interests and market you accordingly.


Advertisers are pulling out in whoesale quantities from advertising on the Internet.  They have finally become aware there is no return on the investment.  Sure some still do it, but not many, and the return is getting less and less for those that do it.
No one today will build a business plan based on advertising dollars being a significant portion of thier revenue.  Many companies have already proven it is a bad way to generate revenue.


Eagler, understand, I am not attacking you personally, but I am concerned that many people have the same attitude and thought process.  This only serves to strengthen the telephone companies strategy to control the Internet.  Apathy is very dangerous and the phone companies know most people are apathetic.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2002, 03:33:26 PM »
Skuzzy
Thanks for the info
I realize the phone companies are the real problem here, you are preaching to the choir
Almost 20 years in the cable here :)
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2002, 03:48:05 PM »
Of course the real intent is to limit free speech