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Offline palef

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2002, 11:23:59 PM »
There was a squadron of P80s sent to the Italian theatre of operations in the last month of the European war, and Gloster Meteor Mk IIIs were staioned in Belgium(or was it Holland) for the last month of the war, specifically to look for 262s but they spent most of their time on Ground Attack and Reconaissance. The Mk III was quite a bit superior to the Mk I that was used to hunt for V1s, and consequently would have been, if not exactly competitive, hard work for a 262. Also given the much better level of maintenance and the quality of the components compared to the state of the Luftwaffe at the end of WWII, it's a fair bet that the Meteor Mk III may well have had the upper hand over the 262 in any meeting.

Plus - just imagine - 4x 20mm Hispanos clustered together in the nose! Talk about concentrated firepower! :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2002, 11:37:30 PM »
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the 262 need a challenger .



Bi-1?

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2002, 12:12:44 AM »
Why not a He 162, considerd by Erich Brown to be the best gunplatform out of all the Jets he flew in WW2.

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2002, 12:23:21 AM »
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The only one I can see added is the Meteor which is inferior to the Me-262 and for what I know wasn't used in Europe, I heard it was just used to intercept V1s


And where then did it intercept V1s? Africa?


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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2002, 01:45:42 AM »
Oh dear.


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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2002, 04:14:11 AM »
GEEEEEEEEEEZ!!!

Like Animal said, get a freaking history book people, 262 saw lots of action during WW2 but there were never enough AT THE SAME TIME to make a difference. To even compare a post war Korean war jet with it is just plain silly!
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2002, 04:21:02 AM »
The first active unit to use the Me 262 was Kommando Nowotny which was formed at Achmer in September of 1944 and headed by Major Walter Nowotny. The unit became operational on the 3rd of October and claimed their first kill, a B-24, on October 7th. Nowotny began the practice of using prop-driven conventional fighters as cover against the roaming Allied fighters during the takeoffs and landings of the Me 262. The Me 262 was especially vulnerable as the turbojet's relatively low thrust resulted in slow acceleration. It took some time for the jet to get up to speed. But once there, no Allied aircraft could touch it! :D

Whatever the tactics used, the sheer number of allied planes involved made the jet attacks almost irrelevant. For instance, on March 18th III./JG 7 sent up 37 Me 262s to engage a force of 1,221 American bombers and 632 escorting fighters. This action marked the first time the new R4M rockets were used by the Me 262. In the end 12 bombers and 1 fighter were claimed with the loss of 3 Me 262s. Even on their biggest day, JG 7 flew 38 sorties, knocking down 14 US and British bombers and 2 fighters with a loss of 4 Me 262s. Their best efforts yielded less than a 1% loss for the Allies. Thus, we see the pattern that marked most German efforts in the latter part of the war. The Germans had many effective weapons but they were no match for the overwhelming Allied NUMERICAL superiority...

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2002, 04:23:14 AM »
I love the Chuck Yeager quote on someone's sig, something to the effect of: the first time I saw a jet, I shot it down

Chuck Yeager don't have quotes about Fw 190's? :)

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2002, 04:27:21 AM »
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ok if we got  the Nazis Me262 why not put the USA F-86 Sabre in the game?

what do u guys think?


i think that  Nazi is enought ..... and fiat sux

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2002, 05:13:04 AM »
Heinkel He 162... poor enduranca about 15-30 min min at sea level. Quite good armament for such a small plane two MK108 2x50rds or two MG 151/20 2x120rds...
Lets say 150 perk points... :p

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2002, 06:02:18 AM »
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ok if we got  the Nazis Me262 why not put the USA F-86 Sabre in the game?

what do u guys think?


The Nazi 262 won the 1933 elections. He was later appoined a chancelor and kept the position until spring 1945.

The USA F86 was a kid at the time.

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2002, 07:10:43 AM »
first of all it wasnt a NAZI ME262 it was a RLM = Reichsluftfahrtministrium (if ya cant translate it show in yer historybook) it was the first yet and they produced over 1300 of it so it saw action!!!!
 P-80 or P86 ====== KOREAAAAA

buy some history books and dont say something ya never knew

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2002, 10:42:10 AM »
Was watching a show on the history channel about the 262

It stated that the german 262 lead the way for other countrys making there own jets, at the END of the war, usa and russia scrambled to grab any 262's they could, from which the moden jets derived, jets like the sabre and mig.

so i would imagine the germans were the only nation to have active service jets in wwii
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2002, 10:51:36 AM »
The Brits definitately had operational Meteors at the end of the war Obear. They were too precious for a nation on the offensive to throw into air combat though.
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2002, 11:06:44 AM »
Jets are for girlscouts!