Ackstarring...again.

[poopster]

WOW !!!

My known defination of a "fluffer" might be quite different than what I'm seeing here.

I hope I'm wrong..

But if I'm not...

BOY I'M REALLY GOING TO ENJOY THIS GAME

On a side note....with VERY strange thoughts running through my head is.

I'll take Egon Mayers tactics in an A-8..ain't nothin better.

nopoop

[Revvin]

Difference is poopster you will probably use better tactics and get the kill, most of the wannabe's I see whining (and I'm not talking about anyone  in this thread in particular) moan how they did this or that manouvre but the view from the other side is often very different.

I was the subject of a whine online a while ago, we don't have AI gunners so often fighters will wait till we're over target to pounce. On one occassion I bagged three cons because they thought I was in norden view (stalked me till I was over target) they all came in flat as a pancake on my six and one by one got shot down..I'd been watching them all the time laughing to myself as they lined up like a bunch of fairground targets. Of course I was told my buff guns were porked how buffs ruin the game etc etc and that the pilot in question had used 'high slashing attacks' yeah he did...about D4 off my six then came in straight an level on my six

I get shot down by guys using good tactics, infact I just logged out of the main arena after a 109 shot my Lanc down, he used fast slashing attacks and I hardly got a shot on him. He showed a lot of patience and chased me for miles before finally getting the kill. You don't see that often, its too easy to come here and bang your fist on the keyboard.

I don't ackstar and never will but hey it seems like the best insult Wotan could come up with so it must be true Fact is if I found any of my squad doing it they get a warning, do it again and they are out... simple as that I don't want those kind of players in my squad it ruins the fun for others so you can see why it irks me somewhat when someone makes a sweeping statement about all bomber pilots in AH.

[muckmaw]

A good fighter pilot with the proper tactics will ALWAYS win a fighter/Bomber engagement. Period. Add in a wingman and the the Buffs chances of survival are nearly zero.

Rev, Define AckStarring for me, will you?

I was called this a few weeks ago. Here's the scenario. We launch a mission to take a field, and this mission includes about 6 B-26's. Low on the deck, pop up, attack FH's VH, and town. Fighters are on hand to engage enemy cons, and goons are rolling.

After my ord drop, a load up the waist gun, put the aircraft into a circle over the field, and proceed to fire on anything trying to up. (Similar to what the AC-130 does today).

So is this ackstarring? I would call it field supression, goon protection or even vulching. But ackstarring? I don't think so.

Since then, my first action when logging in is .squelch 1.

[Revvin]

Rev, Define AckStarring for me, will you?

Definitions vary Muck, IMHO the term ackstarring is when you up a bomber at one of your airfields under attack and circle shooting at the planes attacking your base, it makes you a kind of moving ack wagon.

Some might say what you did was ackstarring but I would not necessarily agree, while I would not do it (I prefer to land my bomber sorties safely) you are attacking an enemy field. Of course in WB you often got called an ackstar when flying a B25-H which had no norden and was armed with rockets...like you'd really fire them at 20,000ft

Like I said there are many definitions and those may vary from mine.

[Ripsnort]

Heh, one thing you hear me ask the participants to do in one of my big bomber missions if its boring and uneventful is "Lets drop altitude and troll home"...meaning we drop from 20k alt to a lower alt to give the enemy fighters an even chance of engaging us...risking of course, our airframes, but inviting them to "come get us, if you think you can...got what it takes?"  IE, alot of guys will stupidly attack a buff from dead 6..and I'll take that kill with my buff guns anyday!

Ackstarring in my eyes is a guy or guys that cirlce a field with all AA down, with absolutely no intent on capturing the field, and firing on anything that ups..but I digress, don't get up, don't give em a target if you don't like the way they play the game.

[Apache]

Originally posted by J_A_B
This thread is funny.  Lame as heck, but funny.

"How can playing a Game be anything but Gamey.... "


Shhh.......they want to think this is a "simulation".   Heaven forbid that someone might actually have FUN.  

J_A_B

You are "undecided" in realism vs. gameplay, but this thread is lame?

Why is your thread valid but this one isn't? It is about realism vs. gameplay.

[Alpo]

Originally posted by AcId

On a more serious note: What makes you think the tail gunner had no comms with the pilot?

All of the smart comments aside... I know they had communication with the pilot.  I was not really advocating easier to kill buffs as much as I was giving an incentive to player gunned buffs, sort of a teamwork thing.  My squad IS a bomber squad, and most of the time we simply have gunners on board so the pilot can concentrate on his mission.

As far as bombers being too tough, they seem to die easy enough when attacked properly.  However, you should hear the radio chatter when our gunners see an enemy fighter doing the six o'clock climb... they love that.  BUT, I guarantee they start asking for fighter cover when someone is setting up a run from directly above or from a decent angle.

[Wotan]

muckmaw 28k lanc lol whatever

buffs in ah are way easy I fly umm and am better at it then you.

I kill um and I'm pretty sure I can do that better as well.

but none of this is what this threads about.

How hard was it to put your lanc on auto climb? You could have went and had a nap. If you like to fly fluffs, well fly umm. But dont sell us anything about skill. They are simple.

Revvin you came to this thread with an attitude and insults but thats what ya expect from a spit pilot. I have no need to throw any meaningful insult back. I dont care that much about you to be concerned.

Fly how you want but I am gonna call it like I see it. If someone flies around at 100 feet ackstarring thats what it is. Chances are they will be dead fast enough anyway. Its still ackstarrin and its still stupid.

Lets face it most fluffers are only a few thousand feet from being ackstars

[Revvin]

Revvin you came to this thread with an attitude and insults but thats what ya expect from a spit pilot. I have no need to throw any meaningful insult back. I dont care that much about you to be concerned.

When you make moronic sweeping statements like the original one I responded to then yes expect 'attitude'

[Tac]

"The Lancaster pilots would often use a defensive corkscrew manouvre co-ordinated by their gunners calling to give them positions of enemy fighters. "

Yes, in AH they can even split-s and loop fight with you. Heck, ive even hammerheaded in one (and got a kill thanks to the fighter following me up.. craft zooming up make great turbotailgun bait).


The problem with AH bombers is the fuel load. Go ahead and take a 100 fuel lancaster and TRY to pull a split-s or any hard manouver that you commonly see done in the MA. Every time I try it I end up in an extremely nasty & quick spin/stall or rip my wings out. But 25% fuel, no sweat.

Imo, HTC should make the buff fuel have a much higher burn rate, maybe so that a buff will have to take 100 fuel if he wants to fly 1 map (say, ndisles) length. That way any buff raid wanting to go more than 4 sectors away will have to take 50 fuel or more.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Wotan
buffs in ah are way easy I fly umm and am better at it then you.

Umm sure Wotan. It's refreshing to see the obnoxious factor of your squad will remain static with the departure of JoeCrip. Nice of you to pick up the slack. Meanwhile, if your callsign is Wotan, you flew 9 sorties all last month. It looks to me like you were flying at 33k and never even saw a bog. This makes you a better bomber pilot? Sure, whatever. And my dad can beat up your dad.
Give me a call when you've flown more than 10 bomber sorties and actually shot down an attacker.


How hard was it to put your lanc on auto climb? You could have went and had a nap. If you like to fly fluffs, well fly umm. But dont sell us anything about skill. They are simple.

Sell you? I could give a rats bellybutton what you think of me and my skills. They are not simple, and anyone who flys extended hours in buffs (Umm more than 9 sorties a tour, that is) will tell you that. Not that you'd listen.[/B]

As I said earlier, fly the way you want, but don't come on with your high and mighty attitude believing your style or type of flying is better than anyone elses.

[poopster]

But...

Whoot !!!!!

WHERE DO FIND THE FLUFFERS ??????

[akak]

During WW2, USAAC used to use B-17's as gunships to help protect the bomber formations.  So the idea of guys hopping in a B-17 in AH and just flying around looking for fighters isn't that far from reality.


Ack-Ack

[poopster]

Good points all but...

I'm dead serious here..

Where ARE the fluffers ????

nopoop

[thrila]

the fluffers are back at my house.  They are helping prepare for my next movie- "thrila's nasty sheep orgy part4"