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Offline Nifty

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« on: May 06, 2002, 04:00:07 PM »
Ok, we do these things for you guys to have fun on a Friday night other than going out and getting drunk at some nudey bar. (how the FDB manage to field anyone on a Friday night I'll never know. I guess they go out after the TOD!)

So given we do these for you... What do you want to see run in July for your Friday night TOD? Yup, I'm asking you guys. I'm doing a partial BoB one for May, and I dunno what Skernsk will do in June (he has a lot he's written up, in fact the BoB writeup is his, but of course all targets, missions and headaches are mine and Pyroman's, who is setup).

So what do you guys want? Remember to keep it in terms of what we can do with existing planes and terrains. (Europe, Norway, Philippines, Tunisia, Sicily, Germany, and Winter or Summer Stalingrad. There are others on the way, but I'm not gonna name them until they are finished and ready to go.) Oh, and only go with the planes we have now. We don't know if 1.10 will be finished in time for the July TOD (I'm guessing it'll be the end of July so it'll be out before the Con, but it could be after the Con too.)

Now, just use this thread to post your ideas. Give me the basic idea, the terrain, the planes/vehicles needed, and why you think it'd be fun for a TOD. Remember, it's gotta fill 3 frames, not just a Snapshot type thing.

disclaimer: this isn't meant to convey that we're running out of ideas, we're not. We've got quite a few writeups we haven't used yet. This is for you guys to pretty much pick what comes up in July. If we've already got the idea written up we'll just run it in July. If it's something we haven't written up, then we'll write it up and run it.   :)
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2002, 09:37:53 PM »


I cant wait till i'm a CM.

There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2002, 10:32:36 PM »
This is what I was going to run next....




From 1942 to 1945 the sky over the continent of Europe witnessed the greatest air battle ever fought, between the American 8th Air Force and the German Luftwaffe. This battle, conducted in the numbing cold 5 miles over Germany, resulted in the destruction of the German Air Force, and the devastation of its cities and industries.

During the 1920s it was thought that aerial bombardment would be a decisive tactic in future wars.  It was thought that bombers could fly over the battlefield deep into enemy territory and bomb vital strategic targets into oblivion. The Italian Gen. Giulio Douhet, along with Lord Trenchard in Britain and General William Mitchell in America, pushed for the construction of strategic bombers.  This theory was very controversial and only the strategic bomber programs of the United States and Great Britain had survived the inter-service rivalries and budget cuts.

British Bomber Command was given the first opportunity to demonstrate its prowess when Germany declared war on Poland in September 1939.  On 18 December 1939, 22 Wellington Bombers from No. 9, 37, and 149 Squadrons set out to find and destroy German ships operating in the Heligoland Bight. The British bombers were detected on German radar and intercepted by 32 Messerschmitt Me-109s and 16 Me-110s. In a matter of minutes 12 bombers were destroyed with no loss to the interceptors. Unprepared to accept the staggering losses of daylight bombing Bomber Command converted to night bombing.

General Henry H. Arnold, the Commander of the Army Air Corps, and his staff evaluated the British experience. They found that bombing by night was safer, but the accuracy of night bombing was atrocious.  In some cases they found that the early night bombing missions did not get a bomb within five miles of the intended target.  It was decided that in order to use the heavy bomber effectively it would need to perform its attacks by day.

General Arnold appointed Major General Carl Spaatz to command the Army Air Forces in Europe. He was given the 8th Air Force, which was established on January 28th 1942.  Their mission – to carry out a strategic bombing campaign against Germany.  Arriving in England in April 1942 the 8th Air Force flew its first mission in August that same year when a group of 12 B17’s heavily escorted by RAF fighter bombed the railway yards in Rouen, France.  The missions flown between November 1942 and May 1943 were close to the coast or within range of heavy RAF fighter protection.  This gave the crews invaluable experience and minimized losses.

Luftwaffe fighter squadrons Jagdgeschwader (JG) 2 and 24, which defended the area frequented by the American bombers on these early raids, also tested a variety of different tactics to find the weak spots in the new bomber.  They found a head-on attack was the best method due to the weak armament up front.  The Luftwaffe continued to refine their tactics and fighter planes to counter the threat of strategic daylight bombing.

In April 1943 the 8th Air Force was ready to conduct daylight precision raids against strategic targets in the Reich.  The targets included ball bearing plants, fuel refineries and airplane manufacturing facilities.  After suffering heavy losses the 8th Air Force returned to attacking targets closer to home and added close escort fighters to its bombing strategy.  The heavily armed Republic P47 Thunderbolt and the Lockheed P38 Lightning were in short supply and the P47 was not able to escort the bombers deep into Germany.  Without long-range protection, the Luftwaffe would defeat the bomber offensive.  

The new North American P-51 Mustang fighter was just arriving. Equipped with drop tanks, the new fighter had a 2,300-mile range allowing it to escort the bombers deep into Germany. With the arrival of the Mustangs, the loss rate of the bombers fell from 9% to just over 3% per mission in a matter of weeks.  Throughout 1944 and into 1945, the strategic bombing offensive pummeled the Reich. The industrial cities of the Ruhr were systematically devastated, synthetic fuel production facilities were leveled, and transportation nets were obliterated by the armada of allied bombers that roamed the day and night sky over the Reich

The bombing campaign did not win the war as many experts had predicted, but the offensive contributed substantially to victory. It robbed the Germans of the initiative in the air, crushed many of their vital industries, and demoralized the German people.  

The price for this three-year campaign over Europe was substantial.  Approximately 30,000 bomber crew lost their lives fighting the Luftwaffe.  Seventeen Medals of Honor went to men of the 8th in WWII. By war’s end they awarded a number of other medals: 220 Distinguished Service Crosses, 852 Silver Stars, 7,000 Purple Hearts, 46,000 Distinguished Flying Crosses and 442,000 Air Medals. Many more awards were made after the war. They remain uncounted. There were 261 fighter aces in the 8th Air Force in WWII, 31 of them had 15 or more aircraft kills.



I was going to use 10Bears GERMANY TERRAIN:)

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2002, 12:41:00 AM »
I think that idea of having a nudey bar and beer in ToD was really good - can we go with that?

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2002, 06:21:54 AM »
I will do my best to make the Nudy Bar an "Obective".:)

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2002, 07:58:28 AM »
I'd like to see another Pacific scenario similiar to the "Battle of Gaudacanal", not sure which terrain we use, but it could be the US Navy trying to get a beachhead on an island,

A6M2
JU88 (simulating a a torp bomber)
TBM (Simulating dive bomber)
Japanese positions on an island with ground based M16's,LVT's as a defensive weapon if chosen.


F4F Wildcat
F4U-1A
TBM
LVT's

Something like this....

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2002, 08:23:18 AM »
I agree with Rip, I would like to have Midway , and I want to be Charlten Heston :p hehehe

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2002, 08:30:25 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'd like to see another Pacific scenario similiar to the "Battle of Gaudacanal", not sure which terrain we use, but it could be the US Navy trying to get a beachhead on an island,

A6M2
JU88 (simulating a a torp bomber)
TBM (Simulating dive bomber)
Japanese positions on an island with ground based M16's,LVT's as a defensive weapon if chosen.


F4F Wildcat
F4U-1A
TBM
LVT's

Something like this....


Although I don't think it ever saw service in Guadalcanal, you might throw in the Me-110 (Sub for the Ki-45). The Ki-45 was used extensivly in the Philipines though, so if we ever do another Philipines, or later (home Islands??) Scenario, it might be usefull in helping the overall balance. It will also give the wobbles something to look forward to in the PTO lol.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2002, 12:07:12 PM »
HOW aBOUT THE EASTERN FRONT, SUCH AS THE BATTLE OF kURSK.

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2002, 03:04:21 PM »
I would personally like to see a 1943 Western Europe TOD again.


I love this time period. What I would really like to see is a Map/Fuel Burn Rate where the American and British Escort (P47D11 and SpitIX) has to turn back and the bombers have to push ahead, alone.

Sounds Good Skernsk.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2002, 09:24:34 PM »
The western front would be good, but we need the Stuka implemented.

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2002, 05:40:52 PM »
Loved that 1945 BoB scenario in the CT, make it a ToD and it would rock.

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2002, 10:28:58 PM »
Early Pac for sure, when the Odds were closer, Guadacanal or
Midway.  I never could understand why AW never modeled the SBD, that should be on somebody's list.  How about a twist on Pearl Harbor with more P-40s and a side switch?

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