Author Topic: So much for "undecided" (Read 1120 times)

Kieran · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2002, 06:08:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
Also, Wulfie, the universities are crowded because it takes 6 years to graduate-the first 2 years are to teach you what you should have learned in high school.

Pfft!

Just what is it kids are supposed to have learned in high school that would have prepared them for today's service industry marketplace? Is it possible for a general education in the public schools to provide for every contingency career available out of college? This is pretty naive.

The fact it takes longer to get out of college can be attributed to the increasing complexity of the workplace, the specialization of tasks performed, and the broad range of possible occupations. It burns the candle at both ends. It is far better to teach kids to think than to give them a specific piece of information- chances are they will face training throughout their careers, and if their thinking is inflexible they will most likely ultimately fail.

Nope, don't look to your left or right and see the training that is going on and continues in your workplace even as we speak. Don't pay attention to the frightened look on your co-workers' faces as they are once again told they need to learn something new. It can't be technology is growing at an exponential rate, and its introduction into the workplace has caused a fundamental shift in the training paradigm right down to the formal educational level. Kids want to learn, teachers want to teach, but it isn't the same system we all grew up in a few years ago.

NUTTZ · « **Reply #31 on:** May 08, 2002, 06:31:13 PM »

Don't worry SOB you have 8 more years before you need to make a college choice:)

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by SOB
What happens when amazinhunks are put in a position of authority.

Eagler · « **Reply #32 on:** May 08, 2002, 06:36:11 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Eagler, I do not understand what you mean by "too hard on today's soft youth"?

If you think going to college is too hard on today's soft youth, then I got news for you. There are many more college bound high schoolers today than there were 15 years ago. The colleges are becomming overcrowded and many students are put on waiting lists... sometimes to be told they won't be accepted until the following semester and end up going to community college.

So, what exactly is "too hard on today's soft youth"?
-SW

I meant this school boards policy of have to have future plans after HS at graduation time will be/is by some now - considered to hard for our soft youth to have to endure and thus will be scratched.
College bound kids would not have issue with the policy - just the ones who think they are entitled to "graduate" to the livingroom couch and watch ppv & play video games would argue against such a policy. We need to push our youth to excel, not baby them...

Sikboy · « **Reply #33 on:** May 08, 2002, 06:52:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran

Don't pay attention to the frightened look on your co-workers' faces as they are once again told they need to learn something new.

hahaha I love that look!

-Sikboy

Kieran · « **Reply #34 on:** May 08, 2002, 06:59:08 PM »

You are flat out wrong, Eagler, if I understand you correctly. You seem to assume that all students need to go to college to be successful, and this is not true.

It is also false to assume all students can afford to pay for college- they can't.

It is also false to assume a teenage mother will be able to go to college, hold down a job, and take care of a child. Taking another piece of her dignity away accomplishes nothing.

Mentally handicapped and otherwise disabled children may not be able to go to college- should we exclude them, too?

What if a student decides farming is the way to go? What, we don't need farmers?

The decision to go to college isn't black and white; that this edict is a stat builder for the school IS crystal clear.

Eagler · « **Reply #35 on:** May 08, 2002, 07:37:59 PM »

Yes Kieran
you misunderstood me. I'm saying this policy is to get the kids to think about their future. Period. Seems they, school board, wants them to have bigger plans than to sit around the house or roam the streets after HS.

I'm am sure it is not hard to get whatever is needed for this program to allow them to graduate with their class. If 95% of the entire student body figured it out

The other 5% is probably only dealing with the total loser riff raff that slept through HS and the other 95% of the students would rather not have to stand next to during the ceramonies anyway.

But don't push them, they are too fragile ... they'll grow up when they are ready

Yep I do agree with this too;
"that this edict is a stat builder for the school IS crystal clear"
I'm sure the schools are just as concerned with their futures (jobs), if not more so, than their typical L.A. HS student - that's a given.

Kieran · « **Reply #36 on:** May 08, 2002, 08:04:33 PM »

As stated above, every student that applies to a college, is accepted, but has no intention of attending means one more student who is well-intended missing an opportunity. Scholarships awarded to those merely filling out an app so they can attend their graduation ceremony? Can that be good?

I think the worst thing about this as far as I'm concerned is the legislation of career path. Not all careers involve college. Some people may forego a career altogether and stay home to be mothers . The kids are old enough to vote, they should have the right to decide what direction they are going.

Udie · « **Reply #37 on:** May 08, 2002, 11:14:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf

Hey Udie, If you graduated from High School I would fall to my knees and pray too because it would confirm the existance of miracles...either that or how incredibly low the standards have become for graduation.

high school was a joke, I had my G.E.D. before I was supposed to graduate and it was the easiest test I've ever taken in my life, could have past it after the 8th grade with no problem.....

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #38 on:** May 08, 2002, 11:31:00 PM »

Damn, Udie, you're supposed to get mad and call me names....

Tumor · « **Reply #39 on:** May 09, 2002, 01:00:23 AM »

There will be a lawsuit, the schools will lose... doesn't take a crystal ball to figure this one out.

Kanth · « **Reply #40 on:** May 09, 2002, 01:19:53 AM »

I don't see what law the school is violating, it's their ceremony I think they can dictate who goes.

I don't believe payment for education includes going to the graduation ceremony.

if they made policy that interfered with getting an education that was paid for, I could see, but the ceremony isn't part of that.

I think it's a crappy move by the school, I just don't see how a lawsuit would shape up.

maybe someone can explain that to me.

More and more I see 'industries' trying to dictate to customers.
With a free market I don't see how that can prevail.

There is competition, people have free choice, may the best service/product/system win.

Kanthy

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Originally posted by Tumor
There will be a lawsuit, the schools will lose... doesn't take a crystal ball to figure this one out.

Tumor · « **Reply #41 on:** May 09, 2002, 06:09:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
I don't see what law the school is violating, it's their ceremony I think they can dictate who goes.

I don't believe payment for education includes going to the graduation ceremony.

if they made policy that interfered with getting an education that was paid for, I could see, but the ceremony isn't part of that.

I think it's a crappy move by the school, I just don't see how a lawsuit would shape up.

maybe someone can explain that to me.

More and more I see 'industries' trying to dictate to customers.
With a free market I don't see how that can prevail.

There is competition, people have free choice, may the best service/product/system win.

Kanthy

It doesn't take breaking a law to bring a lawsuit. This is nothing more than an elitist attitude that should (and will) be put to a stop. Whats next? Hmmmm, well, if you don't have plans dictated by the schoolboard for post "HS Diploma", well I guess you don't need to be in High School in the first place do ya? Think about it.

Tumor

Eaglecz · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2002, 08:12:04 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
What happens when amazinhunks are put in a position of authority.

he will become a president of country soon

Kieran · « **Reply #43 on:** May 09, 2002, 08:55:07 AM »

What Tumor said. Civil liberties unions live for this kind of stuff.

Orel- tell us about the guy currently in charge of your country.

Kanth · « **Reply #44 on:** May 09, 2002, 09:22:29 AM »

I was looking for more detailed response. Not a "they suck and *will* be punished" response.

As far as what's next. We can sit around and make what if's up all day long. Until something happens I won't be thinking about it.

Kanthy

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Originally posted by Tumor

It doesn't take breaking a law to bring a lawsuit. This is nothing more than an elitist attitude that should (and will) be put to a stop. Whats next? Hmmmm, well, if you don't have plans dictated by the schoolboard for post "HS Diploma", well I guess you don't need to be in High School in the first place do ya? Think about it.
Tumor