"Flipping" the P38

[ZXMAW]

I know exactly what SlapShot is talking about but have no idea what to call it other than flipping the plane also.
On merge the 38 pulls hard up and flips over on top of you before or directly after you reach the top of your loop then passes you to pull the same manuver over and over until your dead. How do they do it?? I have film of a guy doing it to me and would love to know how to jump in his plane to see how he does it. Can i do that??

ZX

[Innominate]

The p38 can pull nonstop loops, untill it runs out of gas, is that what you're talking about?

[Kaz]

yeah someone mentioned doing this either AckAck or Leviathn i think... doing immelmans say 3x on the merge. of course being the absolute best pilot without a doubt in all AH, WB and AW history i the great kazibomb oh nevermind it's not working trying to believe i'm a better pilot lol

[akak]

Originally posted by Kaz
yeah someone mentioned doing this either AckAck or Leviathn i think... doing immelmans say 3x on the merge. of course being the absolute best pilot without a doubt in all AH, WB and AW history i the great kazibomb oh nevermind it's not working trying to believe i'm a better pilot lol

Unlike AW, where you only needed 250knots to pull off a Triple Immel, you need at least 400mph in AH to pull it off but only about 250mph for a Double Immel.


Ack-Ack

[Innominate]

Whats the best way to pull an immel in the p38, so as to bleed off as little speed as possible? 3g?  6g?

[akak]

Originally posted by Innominate
Whats the best way to pull an immel in the p38, so as to bleed off as little speed as possible? 3g?  6g?

IMO, if you start getting tunnel vision or blacking out, you're pulling way to many G's.

For a good write up on the Double Immel (or Vertical 8, as some call it), go to NetAces.org  and read RocketMan's lectures on the merge.  He's an old time ex-AWer that has some excellent lectures on merge tactics including a fanstastic one on the Double Immel, including diagrams.



Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

[Murdr]

Can you identify what you are trying to describe in one of these film clips?
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/akakmurdr_000_0022.ahf
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kappa_01414.ahf

[Guppy35]

How'd you find that old thread? 

[Murdr]

oops, I didnt even notice that.  LOL, I figured out what I did though.  I was looking at the Who's online menu, and someone was browsing this thread.  I clicked on it, went afk, came back and started reading it, not even looking at the posting date <blush>.  Oh well

[CAP1]

if he was comming over the top of a loop, i've found that if i cut my engines to idle, the nose kind of just falls over,,,,,then i poour on the coals.
think murdr or one of those p38 aces told me that one

[Soulyss]

I would be curious to see how you make the roll that Kappa makes at about 1:15 into the fight.  Great rate of roll with very little airspeed. 

[Murdr]

Pretty sure that was elevator's to the edge, and kicking the rudders while dropping through stall speed.  One wing stalls just ahead of the other and you get momentum for a quick roll.

[Soulyss]

Have to find you in the TA one of these evenings if you wouldn't mind showing me that one.

[Delirium]

I do that rudder/roll as much as I can, I use approx 50% rudder, approx 70% in the same direction with a little elevator to induce the snaproll.

I have used my 2nd throttle to speed it up, but it rolls you so fast you can't control it and stop rolling where you want to be oriented.

[Guppy35]

Pretty sure that was elevator's to the edge, and kicking the rudders while dropping through stall speed.  One wing stalls just ahead of the other and you get momentum for a quick roll.

I do that one all the time in the 38G.  Kinda learned it by accident, but find myself using it often...not that it helps