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Offline Viper17

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« on: May 09, 2002, 03:07:07 PM »
Why does it die so easy. I hit it with 4 109E MG's and its rear riped off. Why is it so easy to kill.:confused:

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2002, 03:55:29 PM »
Well, how about no armor for starters.

The C47 is a cargo plane not designed for the rigors of combat. While it did an incredible job doing what it was designed for (and in some cases still does - I know of one medical mission that still depends on an old circa 1943 C47 that was handed off from 2 airforces and then an airline) it is definitely something that was only used when air superiority had been achieved.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2002, 04:12:51 PM »
Transports are not stressed for aerobatics or very high speeds like fighters are.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2002, 04:15:34 PM »
Just empirical evidence mind you, but everything I've ever read about the C-47 Skytrain indicates it was surprisingly tough, not only to the rigors associated with operating out of barely improved forward airstrips, but also under combat.  I've read a few accounts of C-47's flying the "Hump" in Burma surviving pretty vicious attacks by the Japanese.  Quite a few came back from the Normandy troop drops with major damage, yet come back they did.

In one book (might have been "Fire in the Sky" by Bergurud) there are comments on the ruggedness built into the Skytrain/Dakota.  The author makes the assertion that one of the reasons was because there was still alot about aeronautics and aircraft design that was done by guess work (no computer simulations to test things out on).  This caused aircraft designers of the day (and the Douglas designers in particular) to over-engineer their designs.  The antithisis of this philosphy was followed by the design team that build the Zero fighter, where everything possible was done to save weight.  This was done both to compensate for the lower output engines of the Japanese as well as to give great fuel economy and maneuverability.

In short, the Gooney Bird should be fairly rugged, and may ("may" I said) need another look at by HTC.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2002, 05:44:33 PM »
You know now that you mention it I think almost everytime I shoot a C47 or get shot down in a C47, I lose the tail section.  Yes occasional engine damage and fuel leaks and oil leaks, sometimes a rudder or an elevator, but I can't recall ever losing or taking off a aeilron, wing tip, or the whole wing.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2002, 06:29:28 AM »
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Why does it die so easy. I hit it with 4 109E MG's and its rear riped off. Why is it so easy to kill.:confused:


I would have to agree that C47's seem a lot weaker than they should be......... it has a fairly massive frame with few highly stressed critical points....... I would expect it to be very vunerable to cannon fire (as a Mossie may be)but the ability for relatively few mg rounds to detach large chunks does seem erroneous.

I s'pose its fuel system may have been vunerablewhich might explain the usual instant explosion.

It would be neat if machine gun fire killed some of the troops on board.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2002, 03:15:58 PM »
thought they did, i know cannons do

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2002, 07:40:18 PM »
never seen chunks come off a c47,,,i just hold the trigger till a beautiful fire blossom appears.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2002, 06:55:30 PM »
I think the C47 should have a door gunner position. Get one of those ol drunkers sitting in the back to do something useful. Granted you'll only have type of left turrent gunner, but it could help a little. Tanks have hull guns, why not a drunk hanging out the door with a Springfield 45mm or something like that, or maybe that dude from the movie Full Metal Jacket, you know the "get some, get some" chopper gunner guy. Just a thought. If I recall I think AW had a door gunner, not 100% sure though, it was too long ago for me.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2002, 07:26:18 PM »
hear hear!!  give the goon better durability!

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maybe that dude from the movie Full Metal Jacket, you know the "get some, get some" chopper gunner guy. Just a thought. If I recall I think AW had a door gunner, not 100% sure though, it was too long ago for me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2002, 07:59:39 PM »
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hear hear!!  give the goon better durability!


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