An idea to try to adjust MA balance without perking the F4U-1C

[Karnak]

I am moving this idea out of RAM's F4U-1C thread.  That one has too much BS that will bury this idea.  Please consider my idea and suggest improvements or give honest criticisms.  Please do not request that anything be perked in this thread, this thread is about avoiding that.

Yes, I know it is yet another F4U-1C thread, so shoot me.
Actually, now that I think about it,  most of you already do.

Hows this for an idea, have the ENY values directly reflect the number of take offs by non-perk aircraft.
The F4U-1C would remain unperked, but ENY values would be changed to the numbers (using kills instead of take offs as I don't have access to takeoffs) in these examples:

F4U-1C: ENY 10
N1K2-J: ENY 22
Spitfire IX: ENY 24
La7: ENY 38
P-51D: ENY 47
Bf109G-10: ENY 53
Fw190D-9: ENY 56
A6M5b: ENY 65
C.202: ENY 1176

Have the ENY values changed hourly, or daily to reflect aircraft usage in the MA.

If the ENY divergence reflects their real usage, and the perk rewards are dramatic enough, maybe people would actually pay attention to the ENY values. As it is, the ENY values have gradually declined until they are no longer a motivating factor in flying that aircraft.

BTW,
It would be better to do this based on number of take offs with a given type, not its kills, but I don't have access to those numbers.

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[Sturm]

I whole heartedly agree with this, I think this could even be put forth towards the tempest and 152.  I think once they added the Tempest and 152 perk points should have been set to 0 to give everyone equal footing.  Another thing have perk points reset each tour.  I think one other thing we might look at is plane production facilities.  Destroy their factories and they cannot fly that plane type until it is rebuilt.  That is the strategic element so many want and I think that would be a great addition.  

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[Zigrat]

eny only matters when there are good planes to buy

also they should alter score like this too . the "top two" pilots in the game have the c hog and the ostwind as tehir number 1 and number 2 kill producers, eny should affect score not just perks.

[AKcurly]

Yes, I like the idea -- I only see two problems:

1) Having to update the ENY values on the hangar chart - whew!  Lots of traffic for a nearly saturated network.

2) You are assuming choices will be driven by a desire to have perk points, right?  I have flown the various perk planes and I'll admit I'm intrigued by the tempest.  Maybe if they brought out a cheaper version (in perk points) of the tempest ... say the version that had 12 303 mgs, I might bite.

Karnak, I will bet you that if they made the arena so that ZERO perk points were earned while flying the F4U1c and N1KJ2, they would still be the preferred ride of the bulk of the arena.

I know you don't want to hear it, but the only way to get guys out of the F4U1c and N1K is to perk them.  

AKcurly

[SOB]

I think it's a nice idea Karnak, but I agree with Curly & Zig.  At the moment, there isn't that much incentive to gain perk points for the 2 marginally popular perk rides that we have.  Perhaps when we get perk planes that are more popular, low ENY value plane usage like the Chog and Niki will naturally decrease.

Whatever the case, I personally don't see the Chogs and Nikis as a problem and am glad to shoot down whatever comes my way.  I can agree with you tho', that diversity is better.  I just don't see it as being as big of a problem as most who care about it.


SOB

[Ripsnort]

Hmmm, my premonition comes true, you'll see by posts awhile back during the big Chog whine fest that I said "next they will whine about the N1K, and want it removed (perked, by todays standards), then, whats next?  There will always be a plane that someone has to base their excuse for dying not to pilot ability, but to what the enemy pilot is flying".

I hate it when I can read the future.  

FTR:Perking the Chog will only take it out of the hands of incompetent and relatively green flyers, and it will remain in the hands of very competent flyers...(After all, most of these pilots would survive, and alot have perkies built up) so your problem would be only that the newbies wouldn't be killing you anymore, you will still be getting shot down by the good pilots.  However, I would support the decision by HTC to perk it if they give us the -1A.  

[AKDejaVu]

 

the "top two" pilots in the game have the c hog and the ostwind as tehir number 1 and number 2 kill producers, eny should affect score not just perks.

LOL!  Dude.. the #2 pilot has kills in 22 different fighters.  Less than 1/4 his kills in fighters were in an F4u-1C.  You really need to take those blinders off.

Ah well... whatever proves your point.

AKDejaVu

[R4M]

Karnak, your idea fails in two basic matters.

1-Most people in the Main dont give a ratz prettythang about ENY and perks, so they will keep on flying the Chog anyway.

2-1174 for the C202?...oh man, then you only have to go up to a capped field and get on the A6Ms taking off there (wich have a decent ENY rate thanks of its wide use on carriers and as base defence). You would rake 2000 perkies in 3-4 sorties and then you would be able to fly 100 Chog sorties in a row.

Is an interesting idea, but I dont think its workable  

   

Originally posted by Ripsnort:

FTR:Perking the Chog will only take it out of the hands of incompetent and relatively green flyers, and it will remain in the hands of very competent flyers...(After all, most of these pilots would survive, and alot have perkies built up) so your problem would be only that the newbies wouldn't be killing you anymore, you will still be getting shot down by the good pilots.  However, I would support the decision by HTC to perk it if they give us the -1A.    

I could not care less if the Chog has killed me or not, its been a long time since I've llearned to get over it.

But we are talking of almost 17500 AERIAL kills (fighters+bombers) here. I dont mind the plane itself, I mind its numbers.

[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 04-23-2001).]

[Sturm]

they got a top 2 pilot thingy in here?  hmm i need to search more i guess,

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[Fokker]

I have no problems with either chog or niki. I kill them both with great pleasure. Hardly ever use the niki. From the fleet chog is my preference. A very good attack plane.

Perk points can work well, but need to be used on more planes to do the job.

Perks should be reset for each tour. At the start of the tour all should start with perks enough for the full selection of planes.

[lazs]

in WB they had a "score modifier" but it was way overdone and got dropped.   A score modifier of say, 1-3 times the value, depending on plane, might help.  I don't really care about score but I don't really fly niks or Chogs either anyway.  I don't think either is a problem.

If people were better the re4al problem ac would be the fastest ones.  They are the real dweeb rides.
lazs

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by lazs:


If people were better the real problem ac would be the fastest ones.  They are the real dweeb rides.
lazs

"Anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will, you've won half the battle before its begun'



[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-23-2001).]

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
 "Anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will, you've won half the battle before its begun"

The faster they go, the slower they turn.

You stick an average pilot in a Tempest and a really good one in a 202.. the fight might last a long time but the 202 pilot will win.
-SW

[lazs]

sea... i disagree.  The tiffie will win if he doesn't run out of gas or ammo or do something stupid.   He has all the advantages.  The 202 has to have the tiffie make a grave error for him to have any chance of winning.

This whole conversation cracks me up...  The real dweeb rides are the two perked planes and the D9.   look at the K/D fer cripes sake!  even the P47 is more deadly than the chog.... Get it through ur heads.  The chog is popular because it is the best (most versitile) of the carrier planes and the arena is so screwed up that only carrier planes have a chance at any real action or FUN.

perking mediocre planes because they are fun and useful?? LOL... no wonder HT doesn't listen to you guys.  You wqanna alienate people who are enjoying the game at the only place left to them??? If, You wanna perk stuff then perk it by K/D.  Look at dejas list.  WTF are u guys afraid of?   Make the game more fun at someplace other than the carriers and maybe the other planes will get in a few sorties.   Maybe people will have FUN in em.   What a concept.
lazs

[AKSeaWulfe]

That's the thing, the really good pilot will know what he's going to do before he does it.. the average pilot will be second guessing or doing things the wrong way.

He may hold all the cards as far as speed goes, but unless he can get his guns on target.. he's up toejam creek without a paddle.
-SW