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Squire · « **Reply #60 on:** May 13, 2002, 08:44:10 PM »

I cant believe anybody could oppose the D3A in AH. It was the premier IJN Dive bomber of WW2, and will be a great addition to any TOD, CT, or Scenario setup. Its a critical a/c to have.

This may be news, but AH isnt *just* about the Main Arena. There is room for other types as well, and I applaud the addition of an axis dive bomber.

As for some CT types, I shake my head, you ask for historical types, how could the D3A be a bad choice?

You know, all these fighters, they need something to escort in the CT, and something to intercept too, yes?

Midway would rock as an event, so would Gualdacanal or New Guinea 1943/44 ect.

Now the IJ have the A6M2, Ki-67 (a great Betty sub) and the D3A. Thats a good mid war start. F4F, add a SBD, have the A-20 otw, things are looking up for the Pacific.

Btw the reason the D3A is dangerous is because in a dive bombing attack it can put a 500KG AP bomb on a ship with a good 80 percent chance of a hit. Thats how you win CV vs CV, not with Zeros.

Regards.

p.s. Cajun? its not a fighter.

cajun · « **Reply #61 on:** May 13, 2002, 09:09:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
I cant believe anybody could oppose the D3A in AH. It was the premier IJN Dive bomber of WW2, and will be a great addition to any TOD, CT, or Scenario setup. Its a critical a/c to have.

This may be news, but AH isnt *just* about the Main Arena. There is room for other types as well, and I applaud the addition of an axis dive bomber.

As for some CT types, I shake my head, you ask for historical types, how could the D3A be a bad choice?

You know, all these fighters, they need something to escort in the CT, and something to intercept too, yes?

Midway would rock as an event, so would Gualdacanal or New Guinea 1943/44 ect.

Now the IJ have the A6M2, Ki-67 (a great Betty sub) and the D3A. Thats a good mid war start. F4F, add a SBD, have the A-20 otw, things are looking up for the Pacific.

Btw the reason the D3A is dangerous is because in a dive bombing attack it can put a 500KG AP bomb on a ship with a good 80 percent chance of a hit. Thats how you win CV vs CV, not with Zeros.

Regards.

p.s. Cajun? its not a fighter.

...I didnt word my post too good sorry, Yes I like D3A and think its a very good addittion and I'll prolly fly it allot, but what I don't understand is why they don't add biplanes as well? There were biplane dive bombers that would be very usefull in ah, as well as some very good biplane fighters such as cr42, and glostergladiator.

PS I agree with what u said about MA, I've heard enough of that "They'll be worthless in MA" in my biwinger threads lol.
I like scenarios, but you can't have good early/mid war scenarios without biplanes, infact some biplanes like swordfish were used
throughout the whole war even as late as 1944-1945.

Maybe I just gotta wait, but it seems HT is totally ignoring the fact that biplanes also played an important roll, I was just kinda mad that after all that junk about biplanes not bein used in MA and bein to "Obsolite" to add in ah, and they get excited about the D3a...

Wanker · « **Reply #62 on:** May 13, 2002, 09:12:19 PM »

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can the Val carry a torp?

Nope, but hopefully the D3A's partner in crime, the B5N "Kate" will be making an appearance shortly. It was an effective torpedo bomber in the early war period.

Karnak · « **Reply #63 on:** May 13, 2002, 09:13:18 PM »

brady,

What we need is an H8K2 "Emily". It was doing operations in 1942 and would give F4Fs and P-40s nightmares.

oboe · « **Reply #64 on:** May 13, 2002, 10:57:56 PM »

Karnak,

What ops were the H8Ks doing? Were they sent out singly on long range patrols? Did they ever mass in force and bomb Allied targets? Always wondered about this. My impression is that it was the Japanese counterpart to the PBY, although much superior.

pbirmingham · « **Reply #65 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:17:42 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
i see midway....

Hmmm. I see Pearl.

-RY-

Sabre · « **Reply #66 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:22:25 PM »

Sikboy said:

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This assumes that there are significant late war Japanese planes that are ready for modeling (ie fully researched).

Excellant point, Sikboy. As for banana and Brady...you both sit down in a corner and take a time out.

Jeeze, kids these days!

For what it's worth, Brady, not all the selections were based solely on scenario selection alone. As an example: I recall, banana was opposed to the P-40's inclusion in 1.10, but it had solid backing among many other CM and CT staffers (those of us that have access to both forums). It had support not solely because it was ideal for some scenarios but because it filled a good hole in the CT as well. It also of course has a place in TOD's and snapshots. There were other A/C that would have been better if scenario usage were the only concern. That doesn't help the Japanese planeset much, I know.

On a side note, I believe a fellow with the call sign of "Toad" was rather deadly in the Val back in WB. People got careless thinking it an easy kill, so they'd get slow trying to get a shot and hang in the fight just a few seconds too long. Still out there Toad?

Sabre
CT Staff

Karnak · « **Reply #67 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:24:05 PM »

The Japanese, or at least Kawanishi, lacked the capability of producing vast numbers of an aircraft that size.

The total H8K production was only 167 aircrat, of which 112 were H8K2s. I was in error in my first post in this thread, H8K1s were in operation in 1942, H8K2s didn't enter service until 1943.

The H8K had a wingspan of 124.6ft, a length of 92.3ft and a height of 31.2ft. The H8K2's full takeoff weight was 71,650lbs. It was noticably bigger than a B-17G. According to what I have read the H8K was the single biggest advancement in flying boats ever, and remained the single best flying boat for quite a few years after WWII ended.

The H8K2 was used in the maritime recon role as well as an attack aircraft and a bomber. Its bombload was only eight 250kg bombs, but that is still twice the payload of any other Japanese bomber. It could also carry two torpedoes. It was defended by five 20mm Type 99 I cannon and several 7.7mm Type 92 machine guns. For protection it had self sealing fuel tanks, some engine armor and armored crew positions. It was quite possibly the toughest aircraft of WWII.

It was powered by four Mitsubishi MK4Q Kasei 22 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 1,850hp for take-off, 1,680hp at 2,100m and 1,540hp at 5,500m, driving four-blade metal propellers, giving it the impressive (for an aircraft its size) climb rate of 1,600ft per minute average climb to 16,400ft. It carried enough fuel to fly for 24 hours.

Steven · « **Reply #68 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:28:13 PM »

Sabre, you sound as though you and the CM's know exactly what is to be released. Do tell!

moose · « **Reply #69 on:** May 14, 2002, 02:14:36 AM »

A couple notes

First off, the idea that the CMs dictate what planes are put in the game holds no water.

Back at the convention, during his speech, hitech said the direction the company was taking was to work on Special Events. Hell, most of the reasons that WB is still afloat is because that entire community is BUILT on scenarios and their CM team. The two events I flew in over 'there' were more fun then all of my other flight experience combined.

I'm incredibly happy with what planes we got for 1.09 and that are scheduled for 1.10. They're filling out the planeset quite nicely with selections that will help build great scenarios which in turn will build the community. (thus falling within hitech's plan)

A point which I think needs to be made is that Aces High will probably not suffer the same fate as Warbirds did. If the team over there hadn't split up, we probably would have one really expensive polished WWII sim with 150+ planes instead of having a cheap maturing sim like we do now. The competition between AH, WB, and WWIIOL is healthy for the entire sim community. If AH flourishes as well as it has sofar, I cannot visualize HTC not just continuing to push out new planes.

And Steven, we don't know anything you guys don't. The D3A was a complete surprise to the CM team. (i think? maybe i missed something

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brady · « **Reply #70 on:** May 14, 2002, 02:16:05 AM »

The H8K is a Must Karnak, that is for sure, hopefully we will see it someday.

m0m0yama · « **Reply #71 on:** May 14, 2002, 02:32:41 AM »

real a nice post Karnak

Mitsu · « **Reply #72 on:** May 14, 2002, 03:35:24 AM »

i saw karnak's first emily photo, and im really sad.
the emily should move to museum as soon as possible.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #73 on:** May 14, 2002, 04:54:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Mitsu
i saw karnak's first emily photo, and im really sad.
the emily should move to museum as soon as possible.

Mitsu, the Emily up there is at the Museum of Maritime Science in Shinagawa, Tokyo.

Mitsu · « **Reply #74 on:** May 14, 2002, 05:33:33 AM »

no FD...that's not my point.
i fear the corrosion. at least it should be kept away from the sea.
and also i can't believe a swimming pool is near by this precious plane!

the visitors may damage it too...