Can we have the FW190A3 in 1.10?

[palef]

Originally posted by Nefarious


Sorry Grunherz but G series is a waste of time. Fly an F, oh wait nobody does.

I fly the F quite a bit. I like the bomb load out.

I think the 190 series is well represented. How about fleshing out the Mossie range or something, rather than adding to a rather well rounded representation of 190 models?

Palef

[Qnm]

Originally posted by palef
...]or something[...

like a perk GV or two, or better yet Italian or Russian planes.

[Buzzbait]

S! Grunherz

The A3 would be marginally lighter.

But it would also be slower and have a poorer climb.

The A3 did not run as high a boost as the A4 or A5.

1.33 Atas instead of 1.42.

They were still having cylinder head reliability problems.

[devious]

The Hornisse or a HE-177 would be of higher priority, but the one FW190 that just HAS to be in AH is the one below  :

[RRAM]

Originally posted by Nefarious



G Series.

Why would you guys want the G when it is even slower and less guns than F series?

G series Fw190 was as fast as F series Fw190. 190G2 was as fast as the Fw190A5 and F3 (its immediate counterparts), 190G8 was as fast as the Fw190A8 and F8


Why would I want the G?. ..Because this time HTC couldn't avoid adding the fittings and weapons options the F8 also had (but we don't have here)...that is, extra armor, wing Drop Tanks and 250kg wing bombs.


F8 could carry those goodies, and rockets too, but we don't have them here. And I don't hold my breath to see them anytime soon.

Sorry Grunherz but G series is a waste of time. Fly an F, oh wait nobody does.

G8 would be the STANDARD 190 jabo in aces high. It would be WITHOUT QUESTION able to be fitted with wing bombs and drop tanks making it a long range jabo in the same league as  the american fighterbombers.

BTW If I could do it, I'd never fly with cowl MGs in the 190, neither in the As, neither in the D, neither in the F.  190G had no cowl weapons. Yippieeeeeeeeee!


BTW; the 190F8 is little used in aces high because, ironically, AH's 190A8 with 30mm is by far better jabo than the F8 we have modelled. The F8 lacks the wing drop tanks, the wing heavy bombs, the anti-tank rockets and the extra armor...and has 2 less cannons than the A8. Still you ask why the F8 gets so little use?.


Sure, it can carry 4x50kg on the wings and has bubble canopy. But that is nothing compared with what this plane could carry in real life. Here the F8 is worthless. No more, no less.

[Superfly]

Sorry.  Waste of time. No more additions or improvements to AH.

[Pongo]

Please dont clutter up AH2 with the 190a3...

[Glasses]

In the book by Osprey Aircraft called "Focke Wulf, Fw190 Aces of the Western Front"  it says about the Fw 190A-1 and its engine:

"...Gruppe's Technical officer,Oberleutnant Rolf Schroedter, who was finally to solve the persistent  overheating  problem with the lower rear  cylinder of the BMW 801  by the simple  expedient  of rerouting part of the exhaust system - a modification which  could quite easily  be carried out in the Gruppe's own workshops!"

This doesn't mean the A-1 was trouble free , but it helped kill most of the overheating problems . Which by the arrival of Fw 190A-2 almost all of the problems of the previous version were corrected.

 Oh! and I'd prefer to see an A-2 instead of an A-1, which were not only in limited production runs, but had a puny  loadout aswell. A2 was the first one in service, if I recall correctly, to use 4x MGFF  cannon in its wings.

By that time I hope they atleast have updated the 109s and the Runstang's cockpits and of course the Fw190's, after those 2 are finished.

[RRAM]

overheating problems were gone in the A-1. Not at all but mostly.


Glassess, 190A2 had 4xMG17 7.92mm and 2xMGFF 20mm, not 4xMGFF 20mm cannons, as you say. The early 190 batches were critized by the pilots testing them operationally because their inadequate weapons...A2 was the first to include MGFF cannons, and A3 replaced inner MGs with Mauser MG151/20 cannons.

I think that early versions of the 190 are needed, but not BADLY needed. Funked is basically right that the performance difference between A3 and A5 is minimal.


There are way more urgent issues than this.

[Kaz]

Ah has enough american, german and british fighters at the moment and not enough soviet, italian, and japanese fighters bring in more of those first then talk about other variants of current models. btw i have a suggestion for the next soviet plane YAK 3!!!!!!!! and it's true that their aren't enough bomber types from all countries so additional bombers would be great

p.s. the guys in charge said they were focusing on the pacific planes so maybe a few new planes will be introduced from the european theatre but most will be from the pacific. i'd like to see more mid to late war japanese fighters we all know american fighters are well represented at least in the # of variants.

[Mathman]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I do feel sorry for him of course, he was a great pilot, a great leader and national hero during the war but his post war behavior was completely shameful and unnaceptable. He turned to the Soviets for gods sake.... Very sad?

From what I read in a book, Graf witnessed the elimination of a town (women and children included) by the SS.  While this is not an excuse for being a "traitor" to one's country, it does place into context his thoughts and feelings toward his homeland and the Nazi government.  Given that he may have been feeling guilty by being associated with the Nazi regime that was responsible for this act, you can see how he would be more likely to crack under the strain of the Soviet interrogations.

Does this excuse what he did?  I don't know, but I can at least understand his thoughts and actions better (that is, of course, if what I read was true).  Also, since I doubt that you have been subjected to the amount and intensity of the interrogations that he faced, you might want to cut him some slack.

BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD:

I wouldn't mind seeing a 190A-3, but I think there are more pressing issues in terms of the plane set that need to be addressed before another 190 is added (i.e. PTO, Soviet and Italian planes).

[GRUNHERZ]

You are both wrong on FW190A1 and A2 armament!

FW190A1

2 x MG17 in cowl
2 x MG 17 in wingroots
2 x MG-FF in outer wings

FW190A1


FW190A2

2 x MG17 in cowl
2 x MG151/20 in wingroots
2 x MG-FF in outer wings


I have also read that some of the FW190A2 may have had 4 x MG-FF but I belive the MG151/20 to be much more likely because of the FW190 middle two ammo bins were always designed with belt fed weapons in mind. Also it is known that the first use of the FW190A2 was in JG26 by Josef Priller and Joachim Muncheberg, and the JG26 Diary says their planes were armed with MG151/20.


SUPERFLY rest assured AH is in an eFternal state of "sucking" and is in constant need of improvWement, can you imagine how bad it would suck if you and NATEDOG sto1pped working on it an9d just left it up to th0ose bigheadAed frontmen Hitech and Pyro ? We know ho r3ally runs the show..  

[RRAM]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are both wrong on FW190A1 and A2 armament!

My fault, I mistook the A1 and A2 weapons....the A2 was the first 190 mounting Mausers in wingroot spots and MGFFs in the outter wing spots.

However...

FW190A1

2 x MG17 in cowl
2 x MG 17 in wingroots
2 x MG-FF in outer wings

No, not as far as I know, and will be a surprise if you prove me to be otherwise. AFAIK, A1 firepower was just 4xMG17, wich met spirited critizism between the pilots who flew the plane over the channel and was the main objection to the plane if it was to be deployed operationally.

the A1 planes **may** have been refitted with MGFF later (I'm not sure about that), but at least, as they were delivered from factory they had no 20mm cannon fitted.


About the MGFFs in the inner firing wing spots...I don't think the MGFF was ever mounted in a spot where syncronization was needed...wasn't that (the easyness of syncronization) the reason why Mausers were to be fitted in that spot? (AFAIK, the MG17s in wingroots were just a stopgap measure until the Mauser MG151/20 was in full production)

[GRUNHERZ]

RAM that diagram is from a LW techical manual and it shows the MGFF mounting .

I believe it had MGFF from the start but will look into it further.

[Hristo]

This paintjob alone is worth adding the Fw 190A-3.



(yes, I know this particular machine is A-4 )