Place yoiur bets on the next perk ride!

[Vector]

S!

P-47M or N. M could be more suitable in MA, but  I'd still put my bet on P-47N. 467 mph top speed ...

[Virage]

A destroyer.

[Pynyada]

YP-80A or P-80A would be nice

[-ammo-]

Boy, a late model P-47 such as the hotrod M would be very cool.

[airquest]

àh crap

I bet its the Me163 or P47N

Personally i would like the " Volksjäger " He162 A-1 "Salamandar"

[ra]

There ain't that many perkable planes left for AH to model.  The Ki-84 and Yak-3 prolly don't rate perks.  Maybe the P-47M and definitely the Me-163.  P-51H, F7F, F8F,  and Do-335 should never be modeled.  B-29... heh imagine running into 4 of those.  

[Karnak]

I would say that a list of potential perks would look like this, sticking to "it saw combat":

B-29A
P-47M
P-47N
M24
He162
Me163
He177A-5
Panther V G
Tiger I
Tiger II
Meteor Mk III
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
KV-1
IS-2

If we get to the "almost saw combat" category we can add:

F7F
F8F
P-51H
P-80A
Do335
A7M2
Yak-3 with a VK-107 engine
Seafury
Seafire Mk XV

[BGBMAW]

me 162...goooooooooooooo  mighty fleee!!!!!!!!!!!

BGBMAW

[Glasses]

he177 A5 doesn't constitute perking IMO I think it should be in as a normal unperked aircraft ,if it's modeled,it was in service from '42 to the end of the war. It would be comparable to a German B17, though your list is pretty good Karnak.


Now if only they re arranged the internal fuel to reflect real combat conditions for the ta152(which leaves the the wing tanks filled for last) it would be a more formidable aircraft than what we see in AH and it would come true to the anecdotes in Combat.

[HeLLcAt]

Why would the Ki-84 be perked? Its got 2 x 20mm and 2 x .50's. Does it have that good of performance. Right now I'm looking at something that says it goes only 392 MPH. It climbs 3600 feet per minute. IMO it doesn't look like a perk plane. Not that I would fly it or anything, but I just don't think it would qualify as a perk plane. If you would perk the Ki-84 you would have to perk the La7 also.

[Karnak]

Glasses,

I think the He177A-5 (which is not a 1942 aircraft anymore than our B-17G is) would be a perk plane, albeit a cheap one, because of the following:

Bombload: 13,000lbs (more than twice that of the B-17 and only slightly less than the Lancaster)
Armament: one 7.9mm MG81J machine gun in nose, one 20mm MG151/20 in front ventral gondola, two 7.9mm MG81 in rear ventral gondola, two 13mm MG131 in dorsal barbette, one 13mm MG131 in dorsal turret, one 20mm MG151/20 in tail. (not quite as good as the B-17G, but vastly better than the Lancaster)
Speed: 303mph (faster than either the B-17G or Lancaster).


The He177A-5 out peforms, by a wide margin, every bomber now in AH.  In reality this was hampered by a multitude of reasons, none of which are present in AH.  Because of this combination (bombload, firepower and speed) the He177 would have the same effect on the usage of other bombers as the F4U-1C had on the usage of other fighters.  In my opinion this makes it worthy of the same solution as the F4U-1C, namely cheap perking.

He177A-5 = cheap version of B-29A
Mosquito B.XVI = cheap version of Ar234B

[Soviet]

perking a He-177 would be useless knowing how people love to drop whatever they're doing and go after it.  Plus it's guns won't be as good as the B-17 (sure it has a powerful tail gun but underneath all it has defending it is 2 7mms.

Bombload is good. not sure if it was 13k lbs cause everything i've read showed different bomb loads.

speed sounds good but then again there are bombers even faster than it.

Please don't perk the He-177 even at a low perk.  The allies have got their good bombers now the germans need a good bomber that isn't perked.  I don't wanna use the Ju-88 all the time and then used the He-177 a few times (cause i really don't like to fly anything non-german)

[Otto]

A-26B  I could be so lucky.....

[Karnak]

Soviet,

Do you really think that the He177 was better than the B-17G or Lancaster Mk III?

In AH it would be.

Sure, the Ki-67 is faster, but its got a whopping 1,800lb bomb load.

The He177A-5 is as fast as the B-26, has the bombload of a Lancaster and nearly the defesive firepower of the B-17G.

How you guys could say "Perk the F4U-1C" and can now say "Don't perk the He177A-5" is beyond me.  Its utter hypocrisy.

[Soviet]

Hypocracy? I can careless i wasn't even here when the f4u1c was perked.  The reason it was perked was MA arena usuage was FAR FAR too extensive.  The He-177 shouldn't be perked unless it has a superdefensive armerment like the B-17 with it's uber .50s (not complaining just saying a lot of .50s combined is really deadly and don't say it has MG-131s because we all know those are far worse than .50s)

The fact is it's got a weakness in attacking it if you attack it from the bottom or from the sides or hell even head on (beacause the foward .20mm can't go too hard since it's in a ventral position leaving only 1 7mm to defend a frontal attack.  It may sound good on paper but believe me the He-177 would have a lot of weak points that would encourage certain attacks.

If you perk the He-177 then the B-17G better be perked and a earlier model, unperked B17 introduced.

Plus to balance it i propose this.  The B-17s were able to carry a lot more bombs but the reason they didn't was the weight would cause it to not be able to go far into Europe and return.  Plus the fact that they were all flying in a massive formation and having a lot of bombs on each plane would be sort of redundant