Author Topic: Place yoiur bets on the next perk ride! (Read 1180 times)

Wilbus · « **Reply #30 on:** May 19, 2002, 03:37:15 AM »

I hope that someday we get the Do335 in the game but first a Late P47, M was the fast one right? N long range, or other way around? Aswell as a P51H (it did see some very limited service in the pacific).

FTJR · « **Reply #31 on:** May 19, 2002, 04:00:44 AM »

Im Curious Karnak, why would you perk the Mossie B.XVI ?

Its a bomber, no defensive/offensive armament save the 4000lb bomb load

eddiek · « **Reply #32 on:** May 19, 2002, 04:43:47 AM »

P47M was considered the "hot rod" Jug, Wilbus, but the P47N was not far behind it at all in terms of pure speed. Maybe 13 mph slower, 480mph vs 467mph. The N had P-51 endurance, too. The Jug pilot I talked to said he had had one up for 12 straight hours on two occasions, but his butt was numb from sitting so long and the crewchief had to help him up and out of the cockpit!
FWIW, I hope the Do-335 is NEVER put into the MA, based soley on the criteria "some" players put forth when the whole perk plane deal came out. "It never saw action" or "it didn't see any combat" was the reply when more than a few mentioned the F8F Bearcat as one we would like to see......now some of the same detractors who cried out against the F8F keep mentioning adding the 335, which saw no action either. No offense intended and not necessarily pointing the finger at you personally, Wilbus, just venting I guess.
Oh, as for my "bet" on the next perk plane, I "hope" and "want" it to be the P-47M, but I "bet" it will be a Ki-84.

Wilbus · « **Reply #33 on:** May 19, 2002, 05:03:03 AM »

No offence taken at all Eddiek, I actually don't think it's got a place in AH, no matter how much I want it, however, it saw service and possibly action so IF the F8F and Meteor MkIII is added, the DO335 should aswell, there are lots more important planes before that though and I think, and Hope, that the P47 M and N aswell as the light weight P51H will make it in to the next few versions, specially teh P47's.

Aswell as a new 190, a D11 or so.

Sombra · « **Reply #34 on:** May 19, 2002, 01:33:05 PM »

More of a wish than a bet:

Pe-2I

Greetings

Karnak · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2002, 01:29:32 AM »

FTJR,

I think that the Mosquito B.Mk XVI is worthy of being perked due to the fact that it could, in AH, carry a 4,000lb bomb at 416mph or 5,000lbs of bombs at ~385mph. Those speeds make it very difficult to intercept, no fighter will be able to see them and then climb to intercept them. An intercepting fighter will need to be in, or close to, position before they are spotted in order to have an intercept chance. Remember, the Ar234B was completely unarmed when it was introduced and for most of its time in AH, it is still functionally unarmed.

Soviet,

The He177A-5 would be the best overall bomber in AH. The B-17G would rate a distant, very distant, second with the Lancaster and B-26B vying for third. Sure, the B-17G has better defesive firpower and the Ki-67 is faster, but as an overall package the He177A-5 would be far better.

That is the same position the F4U-1C was in. Being in that position would cause the He177 to be used vastly more than any other bomber and quite likely more than all others combined. If you'd take your blinders off you'd see that a bomber with that many of the cards would dominate the bomber stable if unperked. We're not talking about "giving the Luftwaffe a good bomber to compete with" as there is no Luftwaffe, just Bishops, Knights and Rooks. So when we compare the capabilities we need to be objective and being objective tells us that as an overall package only the B-29A would be a better bomber than the He177A-5 because AH doesn't model reliability or production numbers.

midnight Target · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2002, 05:50:40 PM »

Looks like the 177 had a very small available bomb load. Look here
If this is true why would you perk it?

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Arguably the largest bomber built by the Germans, the He 177 suffered many flaws and turned into one of the Luftwaffe's biggest failures (when compare service use to the amount of resources invested.) A significant problem that plagued the program from the beginning was a ludicrous requirement that this extremely large aircraft be capable of dive bombing. This combined with the attempt to reduce drag by coupling the engines, while theoretically sound, proved to be impossible in practice for no aircraft in history had engines that would so readily burst into flame. 75% of the prototypes crashed and a good percentage of the 35 A-0 pre-production airframes were written off in crashed or in-flight fires.
About 700 served on the eastern front using 50mm and 75mm guns for tank-busting while a few brave aircrews ineffectually bombed England.
The He 177 proved to be such a big problem that Goering forbid Heinkel to develope a four engine version (though Heinkel did anyways, the result being the He 277).

-ammo- · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2002, 06:05:08 PM »

place your bets on the next perk ride? hmmm LA-7? LOL:)

for clarification, the P-47M had a real advantage over the P-47N in climbrate. It climbed on scale with ME-109's, 4K+ per minute. The N had a better roll rate than the M, and had the range to go a long ways. The P-47M didn't have the ranmge due to amount of fuel it could NOT carry, thus giving it the power to weight raito that gave it its awesome climbrate. The P-47M would be an awesome MA plane, it would be a blast.

Karnak · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2002, 08:17:27 PM »

If the He177A-5 has a smaller bombload, as listed in the site provided by Midnight Target or ~8,000lbs, I'd see no reason to perk it.

But if it has a 13,000lb bomb load as the Luftwaffe experts on this board keep posting, then I'd think it should be perked.

Either it is a compromise between the heavy bombload of a Lanc and the defensive firepower of the B-17 (with a little more speed thrown in for fun) or it is a bomber with the payload of a Lanc, speed of a B-26 and good defensive firepower. The former should be free, the latter should be perked.

Wilbus · « **Reply #39 on:** May 21, 2002, 03:09:37 AM »

I've never read about it having a 13.000lbs bomb load, not sure where everybody get that from, might be true though. The thing is it could carry Fritz X missiles, weighing about 3000 lbs a pieace I think it could carry 2 of them. MAYBE it carry bombs at the same time.

RatPenat · « **Reply #40 on:** May 21, 2002, 03:26:50 AM »

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If we get to the "almost saw combat" category we can add:

Please for me a a-10 Thunderbolt without Rockets,missiles etc. or a Su27 it would be funny to kill people with F7F, F8F, A7M, P80, P51H, F4U5, F86, etc..

You never will go bed without know something new. I was thinking Meteor never saw battle. My real vote is for him 262 need a enemy .

Wilbus · « **Reply #41 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:35:22 AM »

Just add the P47M and N and the P51H. He162, Me163, 190 D11, Ta152 C (yeah atleast 2

were flying in operational service when the war ended)

Sachs · « **Reply #42 on:** May 21, 2002, 07:34:06 AM »

162 163 d11 all saw combat

D-11 being flown with JV44 along with other D-9's for top cover for the 262's
He-162 having shot down at least a typhoon and other aircraft on the russian front.
163 well we all know about that one.
D-11 or D-12 would be the answer to the tempest IMO.
D-12 would just be plain scary in the MA.

cajun · « **Reply #43 on:** May 21, 2002, 01:17:11 PM »

I think we have enough late war planes, I cant really think of anymore to add, But I think that German Cargo plane would be cool (cant remember the name JU8somethin) It had 3 engines (1 in nose) and 1x7.9mm or 1x12.7 mm MG mounted on top of the fusealage (facing to the rear). Would be basically like a C47 but with a back gunner and a lil faster

Wilbus · « **Reply #44 on:** May 21, 2002, 01:23:27 PM »