smoke break

[Kanth]

I was out on smoke break thinking about cancer and about how they say that if you eat I think dark leafy green veggies it helps to prevent cancer..(i know quitting smoking helps)

so I was thinking well sharks don't get cancer...and sharks have no bones..maybe it has something to do with the bones...

but if sharks have no bones how the hell do they produce blood????

red blood cells are produced in bone marrow...

so I get back in and look it up and it turns out they have a special organ to produce blood cells.

http://www.reefquest.com/topics/blood_cells.htm

I can't imagine not having the internet handy.

Kanthy

[myelo]

Actually sharks do get cancer. The myth that they don’t has been perpetuated by people selling shark cartilage as a (useless) cure for cancer.

[Horn]

Originally posted by myelo
Actually sharks do get cancer. The myth that they don’t has been perpetuated by people selling shark cartilage as a (useless) cure for cancer.

Actually, they don't get cancer--at least according to this doctor at Johns Hopkins:

http://www.animalmattersonline.org/articles/testing/SharkCancer.html


However, ignorant peeps are treating themselves w/ shark cartiledge on the assumption that it could help treat cancer in humans--which hasn't proved effective in the least...I love the 'net, too

dh

[Kanth]

Just goes to show you how stupid the consumer is...
Market something and put a nice myth behind it and they will go for it.  For example they still eat or inject or whatever dried up tiger noodlees...as if that is gonna help them.

And can you believe some people will even use skin lotion with piss in it, as if that will help dry skin...










I"M KIDDING ABOUT THE PISS!!! calm down

Kanthy

[Horn]

Originally posted by Kanth
For example they still eat or inject or whatever dried up tiger noodlees...as if that is gonna help them.

Yeah, well I tried that and all I got was stripes!

dh

[Kanth]

Those are scratch marks.

You see,  you are supposed to remove it from the tiger ...first...

Kanthy

Originally posted by Horn

Yeah, well I tried that and all I got was stripes!

dh

[myelo]

Originally posted by Horn


Actually, they don't get cancer--at least according to this doctor at Johns Hopkins:

http://www.animalmattersonline.org/articles/testing/SharkCancer.html

Errr, no offense, but did you read the site you linked?

Second paragraph:
"Yet at a recent meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research, Harshberger and Ostrander presented a study that proves sharks do indeed get cancer. They documented 40 tumors (including tumors of the cartilage) in sharks and their close relatives, skates and rays."

[Kanth]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_703000/703082.stm

"They can even get cancers in the very cartilage being marketed as a cancer cure. "

Horn I guess you are lucky that it didn't dry up and fall off...

I just can't imagine being without this BBS...or okay well I can, but I've learned alot of new things from you folks.

Kanthy

[miko2d]

What does some animal or plant being suceptible to cancer has to do with it's being helpfull against the cancer if processed  and ingested by humans?
 It is not supposed to work by example but by chemical reactions.

 Feed cattle die from being hit by a pneumatic hammer but no matter how much beef you eat, your chances to die from the blow of pneumatic hammer do not increase - at least untill PETA gets power...

 There are supposed to be miraculous substances in rainforest plants that can be used as or for production of drugs. There well may be some substance in shark cartilage that may be good or bad for something.

 With cancer, most chemoterapy treatments involve ingesting poisons - hoping that due to higher metabolism of the cancer tissue it will die before a patient does.
 It is known fact that animals accumulate all kinds if substances  (including poisonous) in very different concentrations in various parts of their bodies. Like eagles accumulate/concentrate dioxin in their brains, etc. Sharks may accumulate stuff in their cartilage.

 It is very possible that 2000 years ago sharks swimming around China had been exposed to elevated concentrations of some substance like heavy metal salts from nearby underwater volcano that they accumulated in their cartilage. That would have worked against cancer and the legend would have spread.
 Of course that does not mean that any shark caught today would be good but those who use such "cures" are usually to ignorant to care...

 miko

[Elfenwolf]

Kanth not to be stating the obvious here, but why don't you quit smoking and eat more leafy vegetables? I started smoking in the Service, smoked for 23 years and quit, and now over 10 years later I play full court basketball in an over-50s league. (Yeah yeah, I know, we don't run very fast- we hear that all the time).

We get one body, and now, genetics aside, studies show that we can live longer healthier lives if we take care of it. The young people here might live to be 110 years old with the advancement in medicines and preventative measures. Why give up about 40 years of life because you use tobacco, eat crappy fast food and get hammered on booze every night? Edit: Not saying YOU eat crappy foods and get hammered. Sry.

[midnight Target]

smoking. Two years ago April 7th.

I miss the smoke breaks. Was my best source of information from the plant employees, hanging out at the "smoke hole". I work near an Air Base, so I got a cool air show during smoke breaks too sometimes. Even got to see a P-38 fly in to the nearby base for delivery to the museum.

[Horn]

Originally posted by myelo


Errr, no offense, but did you read the site you linked?

heh, yeah, but not I guess not well enough! It conflicted with this:

"The Smithsonian's enormous database, called the Registry of Tumors in Lower Animals, catalogs tissues suspected of being tumorous, including cancers, from all possible sources throughout the world. Of the thousands of tissues in the Registry, most of them are from fish but only a handful (fewer than 25) are from sharks or rays. Most of these are classified as fibrous responses to wounds, parasites, or goiters (enlarged thyroid glands sometimes developed by sharks in captivity), leaving only 8 to 10 legitimate tumors among all the shark and ray tissues examined."

So it was "almost never" get cancerous tumors--

I'm still staying away from anymore of them dried Tiger dicks lemme tell ya!

dh

[superpug1]

I have three words DEEP BLUE SEA.

[Kanth]

this topic was just something that I was thinking of during a break to get my mind off of work for a few minutes.

I workout several times a week, I'm eating healthy, I just got done with the dentist, I'm taking accutane for some bad things and I'm supposed to quit smoking at the end of the month when my better half is out of town.

I'm gettin it all in order...I may become a homicidal maniac here pretty soon but I'm getting it all in order.

Kanthy

Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Kanth not to be stating the obvious here, but why don't you quit smoking and eat more leafy vegetables? I started smoking in the Service, smoked for 23 years and quit, and now over 10 years later I play full court basketball in an over-50s league. (Yeah yeah, I know, we don't run very fast- we hear that all the time).

We get one body, and now, genetics aside, studies show that we can live longer healthier lives if we take care of it. The young people here might live to be 110 years old with the advancement in medicines and preventative measures. Why give up about 40 years of life because you use tobacco, eat crappy fast food and get hammered on booze every night? Edit: Not saying YOU eat crappy foods and get hammered. Sry.

[SKurj]

everyone over 50 who hasn't retired should keep smokin!!

with the aging population, we need a lot of u to drop dead so that there are more jobs for us yunger folks +)


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SKurj