Question on Bomber Formation on v1.10

[FDutchmn]

Bomber formation is fine with me... but I am wondering if this is going to be applied to all bombers on AH.

B17 - ok
B26 - ok
C47 - ?  more drunks?
TBM - ok
Lanc - ok
Mosquito - ?  I might make my AI wingman hit the mountain side while flying under radar.
Ar234 - ok
Bf110 - ? this is classified as a fighter but... compared to the Mosquito...
Ju88 - ok
Ki67 - ok
Il2 - ? low level strafing... eek, hope my AI wingman won't scrape the ground

did I forget any other buffs?

I guess it boils down to the difference between carpet bombing and strafing... and for C47s, it would definitely affect field capture criteria.

[Mitsu]

I think this feature only supports the bombers which can do the level bombing.

[Virage]

My guess is... Multi-engined, level bombing, bombsite buffs.

[Mitsu]

yep, i think so too.
but i bet single-engine bombers will have it too.

[FDutchmn]

me thinks its time to separate Attack aircraft from Bombers... although I am not sure what would happen to some of them...

[FDutchmn]

ah, shudda done a re-read of the news...

Here’s how it will work. Certain bombers(but not all bombers) will give you the option to control a box of 4 rather than a single plane.

[Karnak]

Er, the Mosquito we have is a Fighter Bomber, what the Germans would have thought of as a Heavy Fighter.

Its a fighter.

I would guess that we'll see these with the option:

Ar234B (I'm iffy on this one)
B-17G
B-26B
Boston Mk III
Ju88A-4
Ki-67
Lancaster Mk III
TBM (I'm iffy on this one)

Those are my guesses at least.

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Karnak
Er, the Mosquito we have is a Fighter Bomber, what the Germans would have thought of as a Heavy Fighter.

Its a fighter.
 

I forget... was the Mosquito considered a fighter sortie or bomber sortie on AH?  On AW I vaguely remember it was considered a bomber sortie.

[Octavius]

Lets not forget the A-20G and the Boston Mk III...

I assume these will most likely have the 4-buff option due to their size and loadout.  If we were to get a late war buff, say a B-29, I would think having a 4-buff option might be overkill


 the a20 wasnt strictly an attack aircraft i hope?

[theNewB]

no it was a bomber but a 'light attack bomber' but still a bomber.

[Seeker]

"I forget... was the Mosquito considered a fighter sortie or bomber sortie on AH? On AW I vaguely remember it was considered a bomber sortie."

AW's mossie was originaly an unarmed bomber version.

That was changed in AW2, I believe.

In AH it's a fighter/ attacker, as evidenced by the lack of an F3 view.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by FDutchmn
Bomber formation is fine with me... but I am wondering if this is going to be applied to all bombers on AH.

I guess it would be limited to those with level bombing sights....

I agree that its time to remove the IL2 M3 from the bomber sector and place it with the Mossi MkIV (and some others that may be coming) in an attack classification.

That would leave formation stuff as

B17, B26, Ju88, Ki67. Possibly the Arado and the TBM. (are we getting a glass nosed Boston?)

I would love the C47 to have formation stuff and the troop requirement lifted for capture (to say 30 per field).

Re the bomb sight stuff....... From what I have read the Norden and the Sperry was set for course and rate to define a ground speed/direction respective to the alt of the targetand air speed of the bomber and then the sight would take over the AC and release the salvo at the correct point. (Planes following the lead plane released their bombs as soon as the bombadier saw stuff falling out the lead bomber.)

Even from pyro's description I am not sure if this is fully mimicked(guess we will find out eventually)

Whats interesting is that we are mimicking the effect of rate adjustment to set a ground speed and then using this to calibrate the sight........

from our present plane set only the B17 and some later B26's would have either the Norden or the Sperry...... but unless the sight is taking over both steerage and release then we are not mimicking it.

My question is what sort of bomb sight procedure was used for Lanc's, Ju88's and Ki67's et al...............

Tilt

[MadBirdCZ]

Good way to throw the perkies you all are saving for B29 by flying 4 ship Ar234 boxes  If you lose 1 ok you lose some perks but if you lose all 4 well thats already some more ammount of perkies....

Personally I think Ar234 will be excluded from this concept....

[FDutchmn]

Ok, I went offline and saw that the Mossie and the Bf110 only has the Fighter sortie and Attack sortie options.  So these are not classified as a bomber in AH.

Il2 has the bomber sortie and the attack sortie options.

[FDutchmn]

Ruh roh... I forgot about the B20 and the Boston MkII... but... what about the D3A1 Vals??  Classified as a Carrier-borne Bomber.

nahhh i dont think i need to worry about this one...