Author Topic: Several billion words it seems.... (Read 1122 times)

Mox · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:27:36 PM »

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Originally posted by CavemanJ
The Wrecking Crew style!

(should be some old timers who know what I mean )

Ohhh yeah!

~~Cave!~~

DES · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:28:05 PM »

"The idea of the war is to reset the enemy"

Who's fighting a war? I'm playing an air combat game.

DES

Kieran · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:30:36 PM »

Isn't it ironic to see the number of dedicated buff pilots on the BBS these days verifying everything Lazs ever said about them?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:38:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
The idea of the war is to reset the enemy, which is all about heavy bombers dropping tons of ordinance on little airfields that need to be captured.

I especially liked when we reset Germany. Unfortunately, Europe then turned into Mindanao, and everyone's been complaining ever since.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Hey, wait, that is how it happened, right?

CavemanJ · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:49:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Mox

Ohhh yeah!

~~Cave!~~

~~Maybe we'll even target the nitwits~~

Lephturn · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2002, 04:49:44 PM »

LOL.

You guys slay me.

Good one DMF.

LOL, Drone Herders.... bahahaha, good one Lazs.

Luckily, I'm sure HTC knows that A2A fighter combat (AKA furballing) is the heart and soul of this, and any other, air combat game. I'm sure they'll balance things so that both types of players can do their thing in AH.

Personally, I'm going to wait until the thing actually comes out before I get my undies in a wad.

Lephturn

Wotan · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2002, 05:29:58 PM »

Sorry Virage,

I call it like i see it. However, should you wanna fly with us in tod again the door still open

BoB this friday if your interested

Wotan

Email me if your interested. (i know that whole lack of respect thing, but you wouldnt wanna pass on 2 hours of hair pulling fun would ya

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But that said my disdain for flufsf goes way way back. My point of my post is thats theres a roll for buffs in ah. They just arent used against strat targets. Theres no strat to fh killin unless it involves a field capture. Even then its a pure tactical use of buffs. But what lazs has pointed out and from my own observation fluffers kill fhs just for attention.

Now i know everyone of you assume I mean specifically all buffers. Most have a hard time understanding that everything doesn't revolve around just them. I am sure some enjoy the nuances of the well planned buff missions. Even with all the current gameplay concessions. But in my experience and, from the way it sounds, quite a few others feel the same way I do.

These type of threads are always started but some poor unfortunate ignored and unappreciated fluffer. "Pity me because the furballers wont conform to my idea of fun."

We all should spend 55 minutes of our hour online flying circling at 22k waiting for an fh killer. Even though that as a buff pilot there are far better targets. Targets that score more points per sortie, targets that earn more perks per sortie, targets that represent a more historical roll for bombers. But theres no attention to be gained from hitting these targets.

We heard prior to the current strart model how great fluffers would love it because of the better strategic targets that would be ingame. Well fluffers can fly how and where they like. But I will call umm like I see um.

I wont ever start a fluff post but I will reply to them and give mho.

MuadDib of Dune · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2002, 05:59:20 PM »

But what lazs has pointed out and from my own observation fluffers kill fhs just for attention.
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My interests in AH spans everything avaliable in the game.

That being said: I dont kill FHs flying just buffs. I kill them in anything that can accomplish the task. LVT4s, PNZRs, P38s..and Yes, Lancasters. Funny thing though, its not attention I seek but rather gratification. Finding out what field lasz is upping from makes the gratification all the more rewarding.

I understand the extremely narrow focus some folks have playing fighter duel...err....AH. Sad thing for those folks however is that AH is more, hell...alot more than just powder puffing in big furball circle jerks. Dont get me wrong, I can circle jerk with the best but there are definately times when CJ'ing gets boring as hell. AH is a great place in that respect. Always alternatives to the usual humdrum

texace · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2002, 06:32:24 PM »

Hmm...I think I see how it is. Attention starved? Well, no...not really. Drawing attention to one's self is not a good thing in the MA, as it draws fire. (Up a 262 and you'll see what I mean) I do belive that there has to be a better way for someone to get attention rather than porking a few fighter hangers.

For one thing, I think maybe a raid of 262's would draw attention...what about a massive goon raid? That does it too. I seriously soubt that bomber pilots are simply out for attention. Seldom do I think that a bomber is simply in the air to say "Look at me, I'm porking your fighter hangers!" While the case might be, I doubt it's more than 5% of the buffers out there.

I still can't see where the attention starved remark came from...I really don't. I've followed Lasz and Wotan's arguments, but I don't recall where it came to become attention starved. TO set the record straight, not all buffers are attention starved. Like I said above, seldom do buffers up with the sole purpose of runing a fight.

Tell me this....have any of you buffers out there seen a large red bar and said to yourself "Gee...that seems to be an interesting fight...I think I'll up a Lanc and stop it!"? I, for one, have not. It becomes a matter of seeing it from the buffer's point of view. Are you simply saying that because they "ruin your fun"? Well, perhaps so, but you have to realize that we all don't do that.

I've seen the label applied many, many times here, and I still get miffed at it. Attention starved is not a proper term, as it only shows a sign of weakness. Must we resort to name calling to show that we're in the right? On the same token, not all fighter jocks are "dweebs", but that seems to be the norm in here anyways.

Lasz, while you are correct in some points, you are incorrect in others. Yes, it usually isn't worth it to attack a bomber, as the .50 are too leathal. That I agree with. Yes, bombers as of now have too much "impact" on the game from the simplified bombsights and no drift. But on the other side...buffers do not have the sole purpose of killing YOUR or anyone else's fight. They do what they did in WWII, drop bombs on targets. That target is of the bomber's choosing, be it a city, HQ, or a FH.

The drone hearders remark isn't funny, but it is almost correct. But you need to see how it is implamented rather than making assumptions. If the bombsights and drift weren't changed, then yes, you'd have room to squeak, but they're making the bombsights more sophiscated, and adding drift. This makes it more real, and the chances of a single bomber group (of 4) destroying all the FH at a field are slim. Here's where the argument becomes moot. AS single bomber looses it's superior impact on the game, and therefore it isn't as leathal a platform.

It would be pointless for buffers to attack a field in 1.10, as it is a waste of bombs. Carpet bombing wasn't and shouldn't se used for fields and FH in general...it should be used for cities and strat targets. Hopefully they're tweeking the strat to accomodate the change.

OK, I'm finished. I felt I needed to say something... Oh well...another waste of time...

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2002, 08:18:17 AM »

spice boy said "That being said: I dont kill FHs flying just buffs. I kill them in anything that can accomplish the task. LVT4s, PNZRs, P38s..and Yes, Lancasters. Funny thing though, its not attention I seek but rather gratification. Finding out what field lasz is upping from makes the gratification all the more rewarding. "

I am flattered that you would spend so much of your life thinking about me. Sadly.... I never think about you and don't believe I have ever seen you online. You must be particularly forgetable.

texace... bull. say what you like but the results are what people see. someone is taking fluffs and killing nothing but FH's. It happens a lot and people notice it. If only 5% of the fluffers are doing it then..... The ability to do so is even more lopsided... By that reasoning, the only reason fluffs aren't even more anoying is the restraint of 95% of them... They COULD have many times more effect than they do now towards ruining oyther peoples fun. I don't want to depend on any groups mercy.. especially a bunch of no talent drone herders. And yes... they allways were drone herders considering their crew.. It is just more apparent now.
lazs

MuadDib of Dune · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2002, 08:32:50 AM »

I know you and you know me. You just dont know it.

texace · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2002, 09:40:51 AM »

No, lasz...I am correct...you're being your old self again. You're still trying to get us to comform to your ways with your pety logic and false claims.

Yes, buffs do affect the MA in some way, but you're making it sound like they are the core of the "fun ruining" there. No, they aren't...they simply affect the MA enough to warrent change. You need to quit trying to get us to feel sorry for you and look at the big picture. Buffers are not attention starved, and have no been for some time. Buffs in this game do what they did in WWII...drop bombs on targets, albeit in a rather gamey way.

I haven't flown bombers in some time because of this...it was no longer any fun to drop laser guided weapons. I was going to wait until 1.10 to fly them again. Basically...don't shoot down the idea just yet. You haven't seen how it will work. Until you know exactly how it will "affect" your precious game...don't whine about it.

God...I make a constructive and true post only to be called a liar. Jeez...talkng to you is like talking to a warm apple pie...

MuadDib of Dune · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2002, 10:09:36 AM »

talkng to you is like talking to a warm apple pie...
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Please.... please.... please.....apple pies are delicious, especially with vanilla ice cream. To make any sort of connection between "He whos fun is perpetually ruined by 5% of nothing" and one of the greatest food stuffs ever devised does tragic injustice to all involved.

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2002, 10:33:07 AM »

"I know you and you know me. You just dont know it.

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"The Spice must Flow""

well spice boy... perhaps it would be a good idea to give out your real handle. My guess is that you would still be imensely..... forgetable.

texace... so.... it would appear that u agree with everything I have said but that you don't like me saying it? You apear to say that you agree that the fluffs are gamey and have too much effect on the game. You disagree with me on their motives but offer nothing more than your feelings on the matter. I contend that there is no real point to them killing lean too's other than to scream... "look at me I spoiled your fight".

As for what will happen with the new change... Who knows? I certainly have made no predictions. All I have said is that if the changes make the fluffs have less effect in the game then it is a good change... If the fluffs end up having more effect then it is a bad change.

The ideal change would be that the fluffs have no effect on the game whatsoever but that no one tells them.
lazs

MuadDib of Dune · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2002, 10:58:16 AM »

perhaps it would be a good idea to give out your real handle. My guess is that you would still be imensely..... forgetable.
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No such luck.

The only reason I straggle along on your salamanderly posts is to try and understand what makes you tick, rather annoyingly and with little purpose I might add.

Checking your stats you do nothing but fly fighters. 0 bomber, 0 attack, 0 vehicle, 0 boat. This is your MO. That explains alot about your narrow participation and narrow political spectrum within the game. A fair guess would put you in the company of say 15% of the player base. This is likely close in numbers percentage with the segment of the community that specializes in bombers. My guess is the new features will bring a larger number of the community into the bombers and with luck and good programming, more people will develope into this part of the game and participate more often. I can see why you would not be happy with the possibility given how you play the game.

Bottom line: tough sh*t