Muslims about to get what they want.

[~Caligula~]

I just read on  http://www.haaretzdaily.com/.

Iran tests ballistic missile that can reach Israel.
Why is this allowed?Oh yes many of you say:"Who cares about Israel?".But how long do You think it`ll take them to make missiles that can reach LA? And if they succeed in destroying Israel,what will make them belive they can`t take on the USA?
Or is it impossible? "They`re just too dumb to develop something like that?"-You might say.I think they can.
We have a problem,and allmost everyone is hiding behind denial.
WTF is the world waiting for?Why do we have to delay what needs to be done?Who`s gonna do this if not us?

I don`t care what the analists say about how capable it is now.They want these missles because they want to use them.With time given to them to do whatever they want,they`ll get it right.

Are You terrorist lovers ready to go everyday to the local mosque yet?
They will make You...You know that.


And I read about the latest bombing attempt,that was foiled by a security guard.He was gonna blow up a dance club.
Aiming for kids...just as usual.

[babek-]

LOL - you are really fanatic - arent you?

Why should it not be allowed that Iran has such weapons?

Its an independent country with a great and long history and I think its absolutely OK that they have their own weapons to defend themself.
Just check their neighbors and you will find out who they fear - surely not Israel.
They are surrounded by arabs - and some of them, like Iraq, have already attacked Iran before.

I visited Iran during a medical congress last year. I have been in Teheran, Isfahan and also visited the impressive ancient site of Persepolis.

Its maybe strange for you - but I never met fanatics or hate or anti-christian sentiments.

Its a devoloping country. They build their own automobiles, their own planes and VTOLīs. I was very impressed when I saw this, because I  thought before that it was impossible for a third-world country to have such industry.
I even drove one of their Peykan-cars - it remembered me of a german car of the 80ties - but it was an operational and good working car.

Its only logical that a country with such a potential also build their own military vehicles, VTOLs, jet fighters and missiles - especially if you consider that they were under embargos long time.

So they were forced to increase their own abilities and the results are impressive.

I personally dont think that Iran will attack a neighbor-country or Israel - they havent done this in the last 100 years.
During the 2nd Gulf War they didnt sided with the muslim-country Iraq when it was fighted by christian-western nations - they remained neutral.
During the Armenia-Azerbeidjan-War they didnt supported the muslim Azerbeidjan but the christian Armenia.
During the Taliban War they supported the Anti-Taliban-faction long before the Western nations intervened last year.

No - I cant see any evidence that Iran has made or will make a military attack against others.

The real enemy of Iran are the arabs.
When I was there and discussed with some of my iranian collegues some of them described the arabs as the eternal enemy of the iranian race. There was no solidarity for them.

They have with Saddam a mad arab directly at their border, who had attacked Iran before, who sent his missiles against iranian cities - so they have every right to threaten this mad dog with missiles, jets, tanks and whatever if he decides to attack Iran again.

[~Caligula~]

I personally dont think that Iran will attack a neighbor-country or Israel - they havent done this in the last 100 years.

You gotto be blind.
Just look up how many terrorist groups are supported by Iran,both financially and morally.Hezbollah is one of them.

[babek-]

There is a big difference in sending terrorists money and small weapons in cause of supporting them and the use of the official military with tanks, missiles, jets.

Iran is surely guilty in supporting organisiations who we from the western nations are calling terrorists.

But they have never attacked a neighbor country with their military first.

OK - there is one case:
In WW2 Iran was invaded and occupied by british and soviet forces.
With soviet help the Kurds established an independant republic in the northern Iran.
Shortly after the WW2 and after the occupation ended and the foreign troops withdrew the Iranian Army attacked and destroyed the Kurd Republic and recaptured their territory.
But this is the only case I know when the iranian military attacked a foreign country.

In all other cases during the last hundred years they were attacked.
You could compare the invasion attempt of Saddam in the 80ties against Iran with the shock of the USA when Pearl Harbor happened.
So they still fear arab attacks and build up their military against them.

Dont underestimate them. They are not so stupid to start an open war against Israel or the USA - they know that they would be destroyed within few days.

These second class wepons (compared to our western high tech) are planned to be used against arab attackers - who also has these second class weapons.

Look what they have: the technical inferior MiG 29īs, old F-4, F-5īs, some own built jet fighters which is surely no match for a western craft, russian tanks and now some missiles.

Do you really believe that these scrap is to be used for an attack against a hightech-military nation?

I dont think so. Just check the iranian foreign-policy of the last cebntury - there is no eveidence for such an assumption.

So - just try to reduce your fanatism and dont consider every muslim country as a part of a big coherent muslim coalitionforce which wants to destroy full of hate and fanatism all the non-muslim countries.

There is no muslim solidarity - there is even no arab solidarity.

During the 1st Gulf War the arab Syria helped the non-arab Iran against the arabian Iraq.

The muslim non-arab countries like Turkey or Iran will surely not help any arab nation with their official military.

The muslims are not unite and surely will never be. This is only a dream of them and a maybe nightmare of you - but it is not real.

So just calm down. The world is better than it seems to be after you have seen the news reports.

[LtHans]

I still don't see why the USA has to stick their neck out so far to help Israel, when what we get in return is ........what?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by LtHans
I still don't see why the USA has to stick their neck out so far to help Israel, when what we get in return is ........what?

Uh, how far do you think your war against Al Queida would have come without help from Mossad? US intel assets in the mid east are pretty much non-existent. Mossad on the other hand has the best intel in the world in that region.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Hortlund

 US intel assets in the mid east are pretty much non-existent.  

I'm not sure about the accuracy of this statement.

-Sikboy

[Hortlund]

Let me clarify then.


US intel assets on the ground ( = spies, agents etc) in the mid east are pretty mucn non-existent.

[BUG_EAF322]

Didn't america support el salvador death squads ????

nobody is clean

religion is just a tool

there r good moslims

there bad moslims

there good christians

there bad christians (think sebrenica)

religion can be diddlyed up isn't it ?

[BUG_EAF322]

And btw it's the totally tubular CIA who trained osama

[thrila]

Nice of you to lump all muslims together, Caligula.  I suppose all muslims want to fire ballistic missiles at Israel just like all Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews.

[Wingnut_0]

If you live in LA Caligula and Iran wants missles to get there...I'm all for it.

[Cabby44]

Quote:

"Nice of you to lump all muslims together, Caligula. I suppose all muslims want to fire ballistic missiles at Israel just like all Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews."

Hmm,  it's certain that ALL Germans didn't want "to exterminate the Jews"(and homosexuals, Gypsies, and anyone else the Nazis didn't like).  However, the German people sure as hell paid a heavy price for their "i know nothing", "we didn't know of such things", "i'm not political", "Hitler gave us jobs, we didn't know he was a bad man",  "i was afraid to speak out" support of the murderous, totalitarian Nazi regime.   Tragically, in  the end "Good Germans" died  along with the rest.

I'm fairly certain that the Russians didn't bother to sort the "Good Germans" from the "Bad" when the Red Army advanced through Germany on the way to Berlin.  And i am also fairly certain that Germans, both "Good" and "Bad" were not too popular in Nazi Occupied Europe.

Reap the whirlwind..........

Cabby

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Let me clarify then.


US intel assets on the ground ( = spies, agents etc) in the mid east are pretty mucn non-existent.

That sounds about right
-Sikboy

[Wlfgng]

True, every country has the right to defend itself.
IMO the problem isn't the governments or 'countries' having nukes..

it's the fanatics getting hold of them for their own uses.