Author Topic: MK 103 in AH ? (Read 1124 times)

Soviet · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2002, 10:27:52 PM »

I believe some 190A8s had Mk-103 pods on them

Hristo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2002, 10:35:41 PM »

I believe Heinz Bar was flying MK103/MG151 armed 262. He got some P51s with it.

Anyway, I had Me 410 and He 219 in mind.

But if 190 used the MK103, then yes, shoud be here.

Heinkel · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2002, 10:35:55 PM »

Here, this is from a pilot who flew the Fw190 A-8/R8 against buffs...

"Pimpf was the Fw 190 A-8/R8 of 19 year old 'youngster' Matthäus Erhardt, one of the youngest pilots of 5./JG 300 and Bretschneider's wingman. Credited with seven victories including five heavy bombers. The red rear fuselage band on this aircraft was Rot Braun 45, red oxide primer. Here the II Gruppe Rot 23 bar is missing. Also the upper cowl MG 131 guns are removed and the gun-troughs faired over. Erhardt was shot down in this aircraft on 14 January 1945 after himself shooting down a B-17. He baled out but was badly wounded"

Might i remind you the arament of a Fw190 A-8/R8?

FW-190A-8/R8 - Fighter. Armament: 2 MK 103 guns of 30mm caliber - under the wing and 2 MG 131 machine-guns of 13mm caliber above engine hood.

There isn't any more proof then this.

-edit- spelling

Heinkel · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2002, 10:40:34 PM »

Ty Hristo, i can confirm that

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With JV 44, he (Heinz Bar) flew the prototype Me 262A-1a/U1 extra heavily armed with six cannon including two 20mm MG 151s, two 30mm MK 103s and two 30mm MK 108s. He downed his last three victories, all Republic P-47 Thunderbolts, with JV 44. Bär ended the war with the rank of Oberst (or full Colonel).

So the Me2621a/U1 did see combat, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to add it...

Heinkel · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2002, 11:10:44 PM »

And a clip from another site about the 190A8/R3

The FW-190A-8 was upgraded to include the GM1 nitrous system. Heavily armored and armed the FW-190A-8/R3 was used as both a bomber-killer and a tank destroyer. Its MK 103 cannon, while slower than the Rustatz 2's MK 108, achieved better accuracy through its longer barrel. This accuracy proved a great asset when attacking fast moving Soviet tank columns on the extensive Eastern Front.

Heinkel · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2002, 11:44:58 PM »

Here is a picture of a 190A-8/R8, notice the pods under the wing where the 30mm Mk103 is. Can anyone identify that noseart for me?

Heinkel · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:11:57 AM »

Here, a Fw190 A-8 w/ 30mm of Jg300

Hristo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:32:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Heinkel
Here is a picture of a 190A-8/R8, notice the pods under the wing where the 30mm Mk103 is. Can anyone identify that noseart for me?

looks like MK108 gondolas to me.

Hristo · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:34:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Heinkel
Here, a Fw190 A-8 w/ 30mm of Jg300

Hmm, I'd say this one is an earlier version than A-8. No MG131 bulges on cowling. Also, inner gear doors, rare on later models.

Still, pursuing the MK103 on 190 is pretty interesting. A-8/R-8 then ? OK

Pongo · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:59:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Heinkel
Here is a picture of a 190A-8/R8, notice the pods under the wing where the 30mm Mk103 is. Can anyone identify that noseart for me?

Looks like a night fighter..isnt that radar on the tops of the wings?

Heinkel · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:10:37 AM »

Not too sure, it's in the Hanger, so it could be tools, equpitment, or maeby radar? cant tell from picture.

Hristo · « **Reply #26 on:** May 27, 2002, 02:34:06 AM »

With the introduction of 1.10 buff formations, I'd go with some of the out-of-gunner-range weapons.

MK103 and BK5 come to mind. Me 410 had them both and would be an ideal buff busting platform. Who knows, maybe it'll go up on the priority list ?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #27 on:** May 27, 2002, 03:03:46 AM »

Heinkel, your first picture shows a 190 with two Mk108 pods, the second one is with Mk103 pods.
The Mk103 armed 190s were mainly used in the russian front against tanks. AFAIK, the results against ground units were not outstanding compared to the usage of bombs and rockets.

butch2k · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2002, 03:17:30 AM »

The MK103 gunpod as seen above are of the first version, IIRC it's a picture of one of the A5 prototypes fitted with this armament. The A8/R3 indeed carried similar pods but they were slightly different, more streamlined. Other aircraft carried the 103, some versions of the Bf 110 could carry a belly MK103 pod for example.
Due to the high recoil of the MK103 precision was not very good for the wing ounted gondolas, moreover the performance loss incured by those were quite large, making the aircraft a sitting duck.

Hristo · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2002, 04:19:19 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE

The Mk103 armed 190s were mainly used in the russian front against tanks. AFAIK, the results against ground units were not outstanding compared to the usage of bombs and rockets.

So the MK103 armed 190s were a reality afterall ? Nice to hear that.