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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2002, 11:03:48 PM »
I do think Eagler made a fair point though.

If this had been "anybody but Bush" the media would have played it up a lot more.

Personally, I see it as a step forward. I don't care who gets credit.

Beyond that, perhaps it's yet another step in towards a truly friendly relationship with Russia. I think that's a good thing too.
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2002, 12:36:54 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
I do think Eagler made a fair point though.

If this had been "anybody but Bush" the media would have played it up a lot more.

Personally, I see it as a step forward. I don't care who gets credit.

Beyond that, perhaps it's yet another step in towards a truly friendly relationship with Russia. I think that's a good thing too.


Agreed, Toad.This is a positive thing all around. And if the radioactive cloud from California reaches Kansas the pheasant will glow and you can hunt them at night :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2002, 12:53:44 AM »
I do think Eagler made a fair point though.

If this had been "anybody but Bush" the media would have played it up a lot more.


I must have different news sources than you repugs, I don't see media bias against chimpy.  

But I don't watch mainstream U.S. media, as they aren't interested in balanced or objective reporting.

Try the McNeil/Lehrer news hour if you hand wringers are interested in balanced reporting about the poor abused l'il chimp. ;)


Beyond that, perhaps it's yet another step in towards a truly friendly relationship with Russia. I think that's a good thing too.

True, it's good to see relations continue to thaw with Russia.  I only hope they maintain a level of security at the storage facilities comparable to the weapon silos.

I still have doubts about the significance of the "treaty" since chimpy has shown his proclivity to *unsign* treaties of the past.

If he changes his mind he will just *unsign* it and we're back to "MAD".  :rolleyes:

A treaty between states is comparable to a contract between common men... a mans word is his bond, those who don't stand behind their word aren't worth spitting on.

Based on his performance to date Chimpys word is suspect.

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I don't see media bias against chimpy
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2002, 01:01:38 AM »
:)

what was ur pet name for slick last 8  years?
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2002, 08:19:22 AM »
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But I don't watch mainstream U.S. media,


I'm not suprised.

But how do you get those news programs that come in from a galaxy far, far away?

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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2002, 08:48:07 AM »
I'm just wondering exactly what people thought was going to happen to the Ex-Soviet Nuclear Arsenal? The United States is already spending Billions  to secure surplus fissile material in the Former Soviet Union (the Nunn-Lugar program). I'm a big fan of Nunn-Lugar, and I believe that preventing the loss of fissile material and surplus warheads is one of the most important aspects of the Russian/American relationship. But don't kid yourself. The Russians were going to pull these warheads out of service. The deterioration of the Russian Command Control and Comunication  system of the Strategic Rocket Forces is very real. Maintaning these forces is too great a burdon on the Russian military. Warheads that are not attached to Balistic missiles can not be accidentally launched at a target due to faulty CCC. The "accidental war" scenario has been one of our highest priorities since the end of the cold war. By getting the warheads in storage, we can help to prevent just such a failure. Would it be better to destroy these weapons? Of course it would. Are both sides ready to pay the money to destroy these warheads AND their fissile materials? No, not at this time.

While this treaty does not address non-proliferation, Joint Declaration on the New Strategic Relationship does mention Non-proliferation. This statement is part of the agreement, and was signed by both parties. As I mentioned before, the Russians have to take these warheads offline. The world is safer because we are working together to keep them secured. If not for US assistance and participation, the Russian "strategic Surplus" (which I believe these warheads will be a part of) would be much more susseptable to theft.

All the provisions of START are still in place. We are still reducing our arsenals according to the START treaties. This new treaty is not perfect, but it is a good treaty in my opinion.

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2002, 09:00:51 AM »
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Oil companies, that own Bush, don't want people to be thinking "Nuclear" at all.  Out of sight is out of mind.  

Hence they ordered Bush to sign the deal with the KGB gangster and baby eater, Putin.



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That was simply beautiful :(

I wish I was still capable of such cynism, I guess I'm going soft.