Author Topic: Missing Wingtip question (Read 365 times)

Sachs · « **on:** June 04, 2002, 07:49:04 AM »

How is it some planes missing wingtips can RTb and others well do the nice roll/bounce into the carpet routine? If a few can do it I say all the others can as well. Any points on this matter?

FDutchmn · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:53:27 AM »

aerodynamics of the airframe?

well, I have seen photographs from WW2 where planes rtb with a whole wing missing. probably depends on wing loading and aerodynamics of the airframe.

Ghosth · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:23:02 AM »

190's & LA7's fly fairly well on a missing wingtip if you keep it fast.Use Trim for level flight. Odds are 50/50 for a decent landing. Secret is to keep it fast as long as you can.

2Late4U · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:32:50 AM »

The 262 flys amazingly well with a missing wingtip. Landing requires some adept side slipping, but is much easier than most planes.

hazed- · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:37:47 AM »

lets not forget how easy the f4u and f6f and p47 are though eh?

why is it the 109 is uncontrolable?

Don · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2002, 09:28:11 AM »

I shot the wingtip off a 190 several days ago and the guy kept coming after me. He was on fire and I saw he had no wingtip to speak of;) I was waiting for him to auger but nope...he came after me again. He wasn't succesful and crashed soon after wards.

funkedup · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2002, 09:41:27 AM »

You lose part of the lift on one wing. The way you counter it is by reducing lift on the other wing to compensate. The lift reduction is accomplished by:

1. Moving the aileron trailing-edge up.

2. Moving the rudder's trailing edge away from the missing wingtip. Because of dihedral this will reduce lift on the intact wing.

If the aileron effectiveness, rudder effectiveness, and dihedral effect are sufficient to counter the lift of the missing wing, then you can still fly. If one or more of those aerodynamic properties of the airframe are insufficient, then you will have to bail out.

cajun · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2002, 01:23:34 PM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
aerodynamics of the airframe?

well, I have seen photographs from WW2 where planes rtb with a whole wing missing. probably depends on wing loading and aerodynamics of the airframe.

A WHOLE wing??? thats impossible, can you send me those pics I gotta see this!

cajun · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2002, 01:26:40 PM »

BTW F4u-1 is very good when wingtip is missing, once I had like 2-3 zeros on my tail, got wingtip shot off but managed to outrun them and HO 1 with 20mms (f4u-1C) we both died but my plane was dead anyway

Innominate · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2002, 01:33:50 PM »

In many planes, when missing a wingtip, if you can manage to drop your flaps, the plane becomes much easier to control. If you can get the flaps down, even the 109 can still fly.

Citabria · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2002, 01:49:46 PM »

landing with no vert stab in twin engined planes is my new favorite damage challege

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2002, 02:26:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
In many planes, when missing a wingtip, if you can manage to drop your flaps, the plane becomes much easier to control. If you can get the flaps down, even the 109 can still fly.

Depends which model. The 109E does NOT fly with a wingtip missing, flaps or not. It will glide in a very steep uncontrollable glideslope, but once you run out of airspace, you have two choices, bail or die.

wantok · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2002, 02:33:19 PM »

well i always find that once i've had half of one wing shot off my niki, performance is degraded a bit

but as soon as i get the other one shot off, the plane's nice and stable. landed several times with no probs after losing (half of) both wings...

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2002, 02:38:16 PM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
lets not forget how easy the f4u and f6f and p47 are though eh?

why is it the 109 is uncontrolable?

HiTech, Pyro- they're on to you!

Quick, burn all of "die uber Amerikan luftfahrzeug" documents!

Do it now before they find out about the conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-SW

FDutchmn · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:07:27 PM »

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Originally posted by cajun

A WHOLE wing??? thats impossible, can you send me those pics I gotta see this!

Sure, but... forgive me if I can't find it, I recall seeing it when I was a kid (that was more than 25years ago). I hope I can still find that book.