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Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2002, 07:39:31 PM »
This isn't about profiling as much as it's about airline employees being biased against people of color. Read the article. AFTER these guys were profiled for searches, AFTER they were found to be OK they were STILL denied access to the passenger jets. You can't deny access based upon a person's skin color at a boarding ramp of an airline any more than you can deny service to African American people at Denny's.

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2002, 10:35:50 PM »
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Because they are not what they say they are.

Who would be against

N - National
S - Socialist
D - German
A - Worker's
P - Party

A pretty and lofty name means nothing, it's what the organisation does,  that counts.


Hmmm... the ACLU defends the Constitution. Can't see anything objectionable there... unless... you don't like the Constitution.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2002, 10:48:11 PM »
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Hmmm... the ACLU defends the Constitution. Can't see anything objectionable there... unless... you don't like the Constitution.


no, they are not.

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2002, 10:52:04 PM »
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no, they are not.


Good solid argument there... okay... you convinced me.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2002, 11:48:22 PM »
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Hmmm... the ACLU defends the Constitution. Can't see anything objectionable there... unless... you don't like the Constitution.


You mean, the ACLU is out there fighting for it's agenda don't you Sandman?  Does this mean every case the ACLU loses is a blow to our civil liberties?

My opinion of the ACLU is, it goes after controversial issues to get more press and make money through settlements out of court.  That's just the way I see it.  I'm sure there are some good, decent lawyers in the ACLU as there are in any law firm.

Always figured the ACLU for being a big organized law firm.  Does anyone know the loss/win ratio of the ACLU in court?  How many ACLU cases end up in court?  Just curious.  

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2002, 09:05:26 AM »
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You mean, the ACLU is out there fighting for it's agenda don't you Sandman?  Does this mean every case the ACLU loses is a blow to our civil liberties?

My opinion of the ACLU is, it goes after controversial issues to get more press and make money through settlements out of court.  That's just the way I see it.  I'm sure there are some good, decent lawyers in the ACLU as there are in any law firm.

Always figured the ACLU for being a big organized law firm.  Does anyone know the loss/win ratio of the ACLU in court?  How many ACLU cases end up in court?  Just curious.  

Les


ACLU is all about money today.  They, like Unions of old, had a place in history, now they just exploit the constitution in the quest for the Holy Dollar.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2002, 09:50:31 AM »
About Money?

The ACLU is supported by grants, membership dues, and charitable contributions. They have about 60 staff attorneys, and 2000 volunteer attorneys. They pick cases that will impact the law, and preserve liberties in the process of erosion. Please point out how this "agenda" is detrimental to the rest of us who haven't had to worry about our rights?

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2002, 10:08:38 AM »
The ACLU is in the political arena, politics equals money, money equals grants, non-profite donations, which equals a paycheck. There are thousands of non-profit orgs that hide behind this curtain on both the left and the right...its up to  us as individuals to call roadkill when we see it, if you can't see past that veil of opportunistic capitalism, too bad for you ;)

Thought you might appreciate this "artwork" ;)

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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2002, 10:13:53 AM »
Cute, but if I were an attorney with the skills to appear and argue before the Supreme Court, and I was more interested in money than Civil Rights, the ACLU would not be a very wise career path.

BTW, the ACLU is second only to the Justice Department in appearances before the SC.

AND! This INTERNET we all enjoy remains uncensored due to the ACLU.

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2002, 10:17:32 AM »
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AND! This INTERNET we all enjoy remains uncensored due to the ACLU.


That's a good thing?  We ALL enjoy that?  News to me!

Freedom of speech, reminds me of the woman that recently wrote a book about having sex with children can be a good experience if given the right circumstances :rolleyes:

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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2002, 10:20:47 AM »
What's amazing is that guys like Ripsnort, mielta and Leslie can read an article (presumably) where five people who had darker skin than the airline officials they were dealing with were denied access to airplanes based solely upon the color of their skin-Hell, two or three of these gentlemen of color weren't even Arabic for Christ's sakes- and THEN Ripsnort, mielta and Leslie start lambasting the ACLU for having the NERVE to protect the civil rights of these five gentlemen of color. (BTW, several of these guys are seeking an apology rather than compensatory damages, but of course you know that because you read the article, right?)

Somebody help me out here. I'm trying really hard to understand how these three oft-proclaimed Conservatives can claim to be such great American patriots yet somehow condone the actions of business establishments (such as airlines) who refuse service based upon skin color. Seriously, explain to me how you feel discrimination for discrimination's sake is justified.

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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2002, 10:35:46 AM »
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That's a good thing?  We ALL enjoy that?  News to me!

Freedom of speech, reminds me of the woman that recently wrote a book about having sex with children can be a good experience if given the right circumstances :rolleyes:


OK Rip, Who we gonna make the deciderer (sorry cheap Bush joke) of which speech is free? Who's gonna set the limits? Who's gonna limit the limiters?

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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2002, 10:39:20 AM »
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OK Rip, Who we gonna make the deciderer (sorry cheap Bush joke) of which speech is free? Who's gonna set the limits? Who's gonna limit the limiters?


Sounds like you have a case for creating a non-party aligned non-profit organization. ;)

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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2002, 10:41:48 AM »
I would, only one already exists. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2002, 10:45:25 AM »
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I would, only one already exists. ;)



LOL, keep telling yourself that. ;) When you get the blinders off that "One party mentality" then come talk to me.

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