Author Topic: Daniel Pearl video (Read 714 times)

rogwar · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:29:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie
In my opinion it should not be hidden or swept under the carpet, it should be available to anyone who chooses to watch it. We have a right to see what terrorism can and will do to our nation, if it is not eradicated at the source.

The beauty of our country is that any American can deem what he wishes to be morally right or wrong based on his opinion and his judgment. It is for this reason that Pro Hosters has chosen to release the video in its entirety to the public. Under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution all Americans have the right to free speech and freedom of press, whether you or I deem it moral or immoral.

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I agree but with one exception. I am sorry for the family of this man and the ongoing pain I am sure they must feel. A public release of this video does not allow for such a tragedy to be put behind them and move onward. However, this is not the filming of a car accident or something to that extent. In history, many tragedies involving the cruel treatment of people and the brutal taking of human life have been filmed. I saw some on the History Channel from WWII this evening. Such information galvanized a popultation.

This is not the first time an execution has been filmed in this manner. It's just the first time it has been available to a wide audience. I am certainly a proponent of maintaining operational and strategic security for classified information but this provides a real insight into the mind of the type of people we are dealing with in the war on terrorism. (yes, I realize it was released to a Paki news agency and was not classified but I am just commenting in a general sense.)

I watched this video repeatedly. I did not want to see it. I have seen worse. It brought back memories I would have rather forgotten.

I could not help but analyze the non-verbal communication that Mr. Pearl was providing...the clues he was trying to send...the look of hope that somehow he might be able to talk his way out of this predicament. Mr. Pearl was valient in his efforts. An operator would have resigned himself to the fate that he knew was coming, but always thinking of escape and developing scenarios in case of a rescue attempt.

People in the USA need to realize that the war on terrorism is one we cannot win in the traditional sense. We can only plug the holes in the dam and try to stem the tide where possible. We can minimize terrorism by maintaining a clear foreign policy that we will remove the leadership and limit the funding of terror groups by whatever means necessary...coldy, quietly, and deliberately.

Rogue out

Udie · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:42:15 PM »

rogue = todd?

rogwar · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:51:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie
rogue = todd?

No....equal plain old me "rogwar", my original WB login which meant Rogue Warrior, not to be confused with the original, Dick Marcinko, a plank owner and founder of ST6.

JB73 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2002, 11:12:49 PM »

sry but i had to post again....
the more i think about what i saw the more sick to my stomach i get. i mean HOW do actually cut off a human's head... u gotta be some kind of fuggin monster or something. i live in milwaukee and we never even saw anything as visually disturbing whit the dahlmer case... everything was implied, like the barrel they took out of his apartment. all u saw was the barrel but u knew what was in it. but i'm babbeling here my point is actually seeing this is probably the most disturbing thing i've ever seen. makes you wonder who the sick twisted arses are who actually look for this stuff on the web. i know it is out there and i see the "death" videos on download sites that i goto, i just never watch them.

1 thing i'll make clear... i DON't agree everyone should see this even for the edcuational side of it. we don't live in mideval times where people were forced to see very graphic things all the time. there are some very fragile minds out there and who knows what impression they might get from this. i have images of nazi's watching the death of a jew and enjoying it. for reasons like that i believe this video should not be alailable to the public.

another VERY disturbing thought i've had is was he dead when they cut it off ? i know that's really sick to think about but just out of severe sympathy to him i hope to God they didn't kill him that way

Pongo · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2002, 11:30:20 PM »

They want f16s to Packistan...I say send em....
fully armed.

Kanth · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2002, 12:08:36 AM »

What you see there is butchery, not murder. Lack of blood and if you look you will see that the head is already half off when he moves it to get a better cutting angle.

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by JB73
sry but i had to post again....
the more i think about what i saw the more sick to my stomach i get. i mean HOW do actually cut off a human's head... u gotta be some kind of fuggin monster or something. i live in milwaukee and we never even saw anything as visually disturbing whit the dahlmer case... everything was implied, like the barrel they took out of his apartment. all u saw was the barrel but u knew what was in it. but i'm babbeling here my point is actually seeing this is probably the most disturbing thing i've ever seen. makes you wonder who the sick twisted arses are who actually look for this stuff on the web. i know it is out there and i see the "death" videos on download sites that i goto, i just never watch them.

1 thing i'll make clear... i DON't agree everyone should see this even for the edcuational side of it. we don't live in mideval times where people were forced to see very graphic things all the time. there are some very fragile minds out there and who knows what impression they might get from this. i have images of nazi's watching the death of a jew and enjoying it. for reasons like that i believe this video should not be alailable to the public.

another VERY disturbing thought i've had is was he dead when they cut it off ? i know that's really sick to think about but just out of severe sympathy to him i hope to God they didn't kill him that way

Thrawn · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2002, 02:55:53 AM »

Wow, this is the worst you guys have seen on the internet?

No offence, what happened to Pearl was pretty bad, I imagine. I refuse to watch it, myself.

I don't think the brutality that a human would inflict on another human beingg would surprise me much though.

No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?

The Arabic guy being pulled apart by a couple of jeebs?

I mean this is nothing NEW.

The more I think about, the more I get pissed off.
I mean holy diddly. Poor diddlying you that you chose to see this. Lets nuke the diddlyers. You were bless that these images shock you. Some people live with these images most days of their lives.

Cripes open your eyes

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2002, 04:00:46 AM »

"No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?"

Actually he gets decapitated, the full treatment if you will.

All with a big knife. Plus hes alive in the video, unlike Pearl, and you can see the pain and fear in his face as the knife first stabs into the side of his neck then a gush of blood from the wound. Very quickly he looses consciousness then they rip the knife, cutting forward, through the front of his neck. Next they cut the rear portion of the neck including the spine. Filally they dangle his head to side. Very graphic.

Ceratainly one of the most unusual and terrible things to see, and its in black and white...... Very sad hes prolly just some poor russian kid, perhaps my age. Very sad.

Kanth · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2002, 10:11:57 AM »

I wasn't thinking of this thread as a "i've seen worse or had worse than you have" type of thread.

It's shocking and it's unacceptable.

Some people live closer to it than others and that sux.

Meanwhile it's unacceptable.

there's no need for oneupsmanship here.

Many of us don't live in a country where this is rampant, so expect some surprise, that's reality.

DmdKanth

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow, this is the worst you guys have seen on the internet?

No offence, what happened to Pearl was pretty bad, I imagine. I refuse to watch it, myself.

I don't think the brutality that a human would inflict on another human beingg would surprise me much though.

No one here has ever seen the video of the Russian soldier's neck being slit by the Chechnians?

The Arabic guy being pulled apart by a couple of jeebs?

I mean this is nothing NEW.

The more I think about, the more I get pissed off.
I mean holy diddly. Poor diddlying you that you chose to see this. Lets nuke the diddlyers. You were bless that these images shock you. Some people live with these images most days of their lives.

Cripes open your eyes

JB73 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2002, 10:15:21 AM »

WTF would you people watch stuff like that on purpose?!? i can't understand the logic of somebody seeks out that stuff. and the distressing part is you prolly replayed the description you just wrote in your mind. i would never want to have something like that in my permanent memory...unfortunately i do now with the Daniel Pearl video.

StSanta · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2002, 05:55:16 AM »

I've seen the video of the Russian soldier.

For that reason, i will not see the David Pearl film. The other film disturbed me long enough, and has deeply shaken my faith in humanity in general.

One thing this should make clear to all of us, sitting at home living sheltered life: it is a rough world out there, and there are those that are out to kill us in horrible ways.

This is a non PC attitude, but it really IS do-or-die in the world. Wrapped up as we are, removed from the graphic aspects of death as we are, we've been lulled into thinking that life should be a happy pursuit of happiness.

It fundamentally isn't. For every other species, the harsh reality is a daily struggle for survival.

And I think that we during recent time have had several demonstrations that indeed for the human animal, the same is true.

Vs these guys, it's do-or-die time. I know and accept the consequences of my choice.

Samm · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2002, 08:45:34 AM »

I wasn't old enough to drink in the US the first time I saw real people who'd been dismembered by machete, some of them still barely alive . I think a viel of naivety was lifted from me then . I think most americans, well most of the modern world, still see the world through that viel . Humans that have departed from humanity and have become abominations must be dealt with to ensure the safety and security of people like us and society .

babek- · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2002, 11:37:19 AM »

The video is ugly and shows a senseless death of a man.

But dont make the mistake to assume that only the arabs could act like barbaric monsters.

The inhuman monsters are everywhere and in every nation.

Just look at:

http://www.markazdawa.org/englishweb/palest/index.htm

These you will find other monsters who were killing anither helpless man.

Hortlund · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2002, 11:39:34 AM »

Go f/%¤# yourself Babek. This is the wrong thread for your anti-Israel roadkill.

RRAM · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2002, 11:56:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Go f/%¤# yourself Babek. This is the wrong thread for your anti-Israel roadkill.

what Hortlund said.