Author Topic: Poll: ideal arena balance (Read 1218 times)

Toad · « **Reply #90 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:13:20 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The easyest thing to piss me off is to try to claim something I see before my eyes is not there.

I wasn't going to get back in here.

But this coupled with the "you insisted that nothing was wrong with the situation" require a bit more involvement.

Can it be that what you see before your eyes is not a situation or experience that other players around the world are seeing with THEIR eyes?

You know how some people see every adversary as a Spitfire?

You know those threads?

The "Sixth Sense" threads?

"I see Spitfires. They're everywhere, Flying around like regular people. They don't know they're Spitfires."

Could it be like that?

Can you accept that other players just see things differently?

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #91 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:15:42 PM »

Ok fair enough Dmdnexus.

When was the last time you fought 4:1 (not single fight, talking about the whole arena here..)

I challenge you to play a tour in a time and in a country that has less than half the playerbase compared to the competition during your whole playing time. Maybe your view will change.

I made the poll like it is on purpose. It's meaning was to make people think about the fact that for every two players that wants to play 2:1 there must be one player who wants to be attacked by those two. Talking about 'constant' basis here of course.

Toad you're absolutely right. Maybe I took your response wrong, I took a wrong approach.

You're naturally entitled to a differing opinnion and probably during your play time things also look very different from ours. It just fealt to me like a direct attack, trying to tell me that I'm lieing.

If that was never your intention, my apologies.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #92 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:38:08 PM »

I've been flying online sims since AW was on Genie and CIS - middle 80's for those who don't know the history.

Flying 1 vs 5 is easy. Requires different tactics.

Doesn't mean you have to come back with 5 pelts on your cowling. Getting 1 pelt in that situation and RTBing means you did good.

I can tell you countless stories of me and my wingmen going against outnumbered odds and kicking butt. Yes I've won a few 1 v 5s.

That's what I enjoy about this game, winning when the odds are against me. Winning when I should have lost. That's what separates the good pilots from the snotnosed loaded diaper can't cut it whining dweebs.

To answer your question, I took a Spitfire up last night to A54, was about 20k, dove in on a cluster of about 10 bad guys, killed 2, before taking a hit to the radiator and I still managed to RTB!

It's not that hard to fight against numbers - it may not be the fight you want to have. Learn to adapt.

All you "1 to 1" and "Balanced Numbers" babies, whine too much.

You want a fair fight. I have news for you, there's no such thing as a fair fight.

You make the other guy fight your fight - that's how you win.
If you aren't fighting with an advantage, you aren't trying hard enough.

Instead of whining about having the bar lowered.... why don't you trying jumping over that bar or setting it higher.

Here's a tip for you. Altitude is life and when you are outnumber, make sure you have it.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #93 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:46:10 PM »

Dmdnexus what you're saying would be totally ok in a dogfight only arena..

But when strat comes to play the difference starts to count. You can't force the enemy to play your play, he will just choose another empty field to attack instead. End result is a loss with certainty. Don't you agree?

As a rook I've done the fights you describe daily. I've fought 10:1 and rtb'd with 7 kills.. that's no different. Only thing that bothered me after I rtb'd is that the enemy captured the field I defended alone in any case. You can't win the strat part even if you win the single fights with those odds.

Maybe I shouldn't care.. But after you log on day after day either to see the arena on the virge of reset or just otherwise in a nearly unplayable situation with enemy blitzkrieging undefended fields after another, it starts to wear the fun off. At least for me.

We've been all through this before so it's pointless to continue. It's very much clear that some people care and some don't.

Toad · « **Reply #94 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:22:16 PM »

Ripley, I always try to attack the idea, not the man. (Yes, I will use lots of smileys and stuff though, I admit.)

Like I said, I'm not perfect. I'll try to write more clearly.

OK, "off and up" again.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #95 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:31:03 PM »

Very well Toad..

But I must warn you; I will still shoot you down on the arena if I see you!

DmdNexus · « **Reply #96 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:39:25 PM »

I'm not talking dog fight only. I'm talking about fighting your fight and not there's, adjusting your tactics to thwart their efforts.

It's not hard to stop the borg-hord from taking your field.
Here's a clue for you, it only takes 1 person to grab a P51 - climb to 20k and dive bomb the Barracks at the field they are staging their C47s from - and there you go, you've stopped 100+ pilots from having the ability to take a field.

Or just grab a P51 or 262 and hunt goons.

3 to 5 pilots could effectively stop the field capture effort on one entire front by using their brain matter.

Different tactics for different situations.

In the past, I've flown in many historic scenarios and sometimes the other side has many more planes, sometimes better planes... that's because that's the way it was.

The fun is in defeating the other sides efforts, especially when they have the advantage.

You're right, Imany of us don't care who wins the reset... personally perks points don't mean anything to me.

The game restarts in a few minutes and it all starts over again.

"it starts to wear the fun off"
If you have done all there is you can do with this game yet, then move on. No point in playing a game you don't enjoy.

I can't count how many times I've quit this game and others, only to come back to them months later.

mipoikel · « **Reply #97 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:46:29 PM »

Ripley, I agree most of your thoughts but maybe this is a little bit too old thread. I dont care anymore even if bishes have 3 x more players than we. And why:

Bish missions sucks. They are not as effective as they were earlier.

Ive killed so many goons that Im getting bored.

Yesterday we were outnumbered but we still took bases from them.

Bishes sucks!:D