Author Topic: Dirty Bomber? (Read 1026 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2002, 05:45:55 PM »

I'd be more worried about what they do NOT have to build....

How hard is it to get a nuke warhead on a boat, ship it in any ordinary container with a "believable" shipping cargo, get it onto a train, have it transported to any US city and have it detonate by using a GPS setup?

IMO, all that takes is a little cash in the right place... much scarier than these "dirty" bombs.
-SW
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Tumor · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2002, 05:48:14 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I'd be more worried about what they do NOT have to build....

How hard is it to get a nuke warhead on a boat, ship it in any ordinary container with a "believable" shipping cargo, get it onto a train and have it transported to any US city in the world and have it detonate by using a GPS setup?

IMO, all that takes is a little cash in the right place... much scarier than these "dirty" bombs.
-SW

Not hard at all

Sikboy · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2002, 06:34:00 PM »

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I'd be more worried about what they do NOT have to build....

How hard is it to get a nuke warhead [/i]

I think this is the most important part of the question. And it's
Very hard.

-Sikboy

Thrawn · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2002, 06:48:55 PM »

If it's not very hard, then why have they not done it already?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2002, 07:00:53 PM »

Well, how hard was it to subdue the airline crews/pilots.. take the plane and fly it into a building... yet it took them a good 3-5 years to get that plan of action to take place.

So it may be less of a question of how hard, and more a question of... when?

Sikboy, you honestly think it's hard to get a nuclear warhead? Russia was selling 'em like candy to the highest bidder not too long ago. If Al Qaeda still has a lotta cash, then what's stopping them from getting their hands on a small nuclear weapon? I'm not talking ICBM size, but still, could be fairly big.

How many mid east countries have nukes they didn't purchase off the black market anyway?
-SW

Sikboy · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2002, 07:54:49 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

Sikboy, you honestly think it's hard to get a nuclear warhead?

Yes, I do. Very hard.

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Russia was selling 'em like candy to the highest bidder not too long ago.

No, they weren't.

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If Al Qaeda still has a lotta cash, then what's stopping them from getting their hands on a small nuclear weapon? I'm not talking ICBM size, but still, could be fairly big.

The fact that there are none for sale.

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How many mid east countries have nukes they didn't purchase off the black market anyway?

The only MidEast country that is generally accepted to have nukes is Israel. No other countries in the region have them.

-Sikboy

easymo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:55:11 PM »

As much as they hate us. They despise the Jews. If they ever get a nuke, there will be a mushroom cloud popping up over Israel. That will be the official anouncement that we can start worrying.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2002, 09:32:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy

The only MidEast country that is generally accepted to have nukes is Israel. No other countries in the region have them.
-Sikboy

The government thinks otherwise....
and you can't say for certain whether or not Iraq poses them or not either.
-SW

Curval · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2002, 09:43:57 PM »

The news I saw on this stated that the "bomber" was actually on a recon mission...not actively persuing materials to build a bomb.

Russian · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:43:59 PM »

Since they like to play with nuclear waist, why not give them more? US have a lot of waist that can be spread nice and even over that country.

Wotan · « **Reply #25 on:** June 11, 2002, 02:45:21 AM »

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As much as they hate us. They despise the Jews. If they ever get a nuke, there will be a mushroom cloud popping up over Israel. That will be the official anouncement that we can start worrying.

Theres more jews in NYC then in any city in israel. They could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Besides Israel survives asdirect result of the support of the US. nuking israel will just strengthen our support for them.

Make no mistake they would nuke NYC in a second is they had the means.

Hortlund · « **Reply #26 on:** June 11, 2002, 04:41:28 AM »

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Originally posted by easymo
As much as they hate us. They despise the Jews. If they ever get a nuke, there will be a mushroom cloud popping up over Israel. That will be the official anouncement that we can start worrying.

I doubt it, because said nuke would kill as many arabs as jews.

And besides, they would never dare. They know full well that the Israeli response would be a nuke in Baghdad, one in Teheran, one in Damascus. Perhaps not hitting the ones directly responsible, but the ones responsible enough. Saddam knows this, so does the other goons.

Hortlund · « **Reply #27 on:** June 11, 2002, 04:44:17 AM »

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I see "the sky is falling" again. If Jose got his hands on a Dirty Bomb. It would likely kill fewer people than 9.11. If detonated in a big city, it would slow commerce badly during the clean up. But the world as we know it, would hardly end.

The scariest part of this, for me. Is that Jose (a U.S. citizen) just had his constitutional rights chucked, like they were nothing. He should get a fair trial, then hang him.

Man, either you are very optimistic, or you dont know that much about nuclear material.

Worst case scenario, terrorist makes dirty bomb with enriched uranium or plutonium. Effect: Abandon city for next ten thousand years. But I guess one could say it would slow commerce badly...oh...and there is no clean up with those.

Sikboy · « **Reply #28 on:** June 11, 2002, 05:55:41 AM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

The government thinks otherwise....
and you can't say for certain whether or not Iraq poses them or not either.
-SW

I can say for certain that it is doubtfull that they have a bomb. And I think Rummy would back me up. They have a development program for nukes (guess they missed the Russian Fire sale on nukes) but I have yet to hear anyone in the government suggest that they had a working bomb. The catagory of Weapons oif mass destruction inlcudes not only Nuclear (Which Iraq has never had) but also Biological and Chemical. Iraq has had Biological and Chemical weapons. We know this. They want a bomb. We know this too.

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The only MidEast country that is generally accepted to have nukes is Israel. No other countries in the region have them.

Looks like the Government actually agrees with me
Anyhow, we've gone from everyone's got a nuke to maybe Iraq has one. Not very compelling.

-Sikboy

Eagler · « **Reply #29 on:** June 11, 2002, 05:55:54 AM »

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Originally posted by easymo
As much as they hate us. They despise the Jews. If they ever get a nuke, there will be a mushroom cloud popping up over Israel. That will be the official anouncement that we can start worrying.

Yep
As Wotan stated, they'd kill two birds with one stone by attacking us over Israel if they had the means. Transportation would be the only factor allowing Israel to get it before say Washington, NYC or LA. Then again, if this is truely a "religious war", which I think the extremist justify it in their heads by labeling it that, Rome would be the likely first target followed quickly by an attack on US soil.
I think their first target will be wherever they can damage our financial strenghts the most over say civilian deaths or physical damage. You kill our economy and we'll handle the rest ourselves.