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Offline Kevin14

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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2002, 02:42:33 PM »
Thanks Naudet. So if I understand right every plane that has WEP uses MW50?. And does pressing P enable MW50?
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2002, 03:05:15 PM »
Not every plane uses MW50.

MW50 was a special water-methanol mixture. Only LW planes used the MW50 (atleast with that name although other countries used the same method). All planes that's got WEP (all fighter but teh Yak9U and A6M5 for what I remember now) can enable the WEP with P.

Not all use MW50 though but all WEP on all planes is limited and gives you extra power.
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Offline Sachs

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2002, 03:36:14 PM »
What is interesting to note that the Fw-190 D9 could use emergency power as well.  Naudet has the charts for the speeds and if memory serves me right 443 was the top speed a D-9 could hit with emergency power.  

I think it would be a nice addition if we had instead of P maybe a key or hat switch for either MW-50 or Gm-1 and having a tank for those.  Once they are gone they are gone until you re-arm.  How about this for a solution?  

What was acceleration rates for planes carrying these?  Anyone know this?
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2002, 03:59:59 PM »
Hehe Sachs, the 443mph are for a D9 using C3 fuel and that has the ETC504 removed.

For AH i wish we had the following (which would fit for almost all D9s from Dec 44 till end of war.

When running full throttle in AH the engine should have an output of 1700-1750 PS.

With "P" you activate the power of 1900PS which was achieved just with a boost pressure increase. This might be keeped for up to 10 mins.

With an additional key (shift-P or whatever) you activate the MW-50 injection that gives you 2100PS. Also you drain from the MW-50 tank, so an additional "fuel" gauge is needed. You would have MW50 for about 40 minutes use onboard.

I never understood why noone ever models two types of WEP, should be no big deal. Just a second key stroke that adds another amount of extra power.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2002, 04:22:40 PM »
Both Sachs and Naudets propositions are good, as it is now max power of our Dora is 1900 right?
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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2002, 01:27:49 AM »
Do not forget that 109G-6 needs the MW50 to fill late 1943/early 1944 gap.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2002, 01:52:11 AM »
Hristo,

Did the Bf109G-6 use MW50 in 1943?  I searched and searched for evidence of it but was unable to find any.  The earliest that I could find for MW50 use in the Bf109G-6 was 2nd quarter 1944.

Quite honestly, that was the single biggest reason that I stopped advocating 1943 as the ideal year for global WWII simulators.  The Germans just weren't adequately competitve and the Japanese were marginal. Some of the aircraft that I concluded would make it into a 1943 centered model were thinks like:

F4U-1
F6F-3
P-38J
P-51B
B-17G (early version of the G)
TBM-3
Mosquito Mk VI Series 2
Spitfire LF.Mk IX
Lancaster Mk I
La-5FN
Yak-9T
Il-2-3M
Pe-2
Bf109G-6 (no MW50)
Bf110G-2
Fw190A-5
Me410A
Ju188A-1
C.205
S.M.79-II
A6M5
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-61-Ia
N1K1-J
B6N2
G4M2

As you can see, it allows interesting aircraft like the Bf110G-2, Me410A, Mosquito Mk VI and Pe-2 to be much more competitive because the super fighters haven't arrived.  It also screws the Axis in both the fighter and bomber departments, particularly the Germans in the fighter department and the Japanese in the bomber department.
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Offline mw

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2002, 02:14:51 AM »
Mosquitos used Nitrous Oxide.  Snipped from documents provided by Neil Stirling:



lol ;)
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2002, 02:32:22 AM »
Hmm, I believe I remember Heinz Knoke mentioning recieveing MW50s for 109s in early 1944.

Hartmann mentions it too, but I don't know the date.

At work here, will check when I get home.

some quick links:
http://www.bf109.com/evolution.html
http://www.jg2.org/g6spit9.htm
http://games.1c.ru/il2/air/bf109g6a.htm

Note the DB605ASCM as a replacement engine for 109G-6. 2000hp at sea level ! ;)
« Last Edit: June 14, 2002, 02:41:37 AM by Hristo »
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Offline butch2k

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2002, 03:14:38 AM »
As far as i have been able to tell, MW50 was introduced to units in April 44, while some aircraft modified for use of MW50 were tested by operational units as early as october 43 (but it was just a handfull of aircraft).
The DB605ASCM never made it to production, since it was not possible to adjust the max boost setting as it was on the DB605ASC and the DB605DC. The introduction of those engines sealed his fate. But true some authors refer to the ASC as the ASCM but they are different engines.
The DB605ASC was designed as a replacement for the DB605DC if the later was not available, so it was only fitted to aircraft using those engine.
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Offline Naudet

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2002, 05:10:40 AM »
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as it is now max power of our Dora is 1900 right?


Wilbus, this can only be answered by HT.

As there is still a little controversy between HoHun and me, which speedcurve from the D9 Speedchart is reached by which powersetting. :)
HoHun would argue AH D9 is a 1900PS machine, while i think it is a 2100PS one.
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2002, 06:16:15 AM »
OK :)

« Last Edit: June 14, 2002, 11:23:06 AM by Wilbus »
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Offline illo

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2002, 05:27:15 AM »
Bf 109G-6/AS would be great.

When it came to front line units?
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2002, 05:41:41 AM »
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Originally posted by Karnak
Hristo,

Did the Bf109G-6 use MW50 in 1943?  I searched and searched for evidence of it but was unable to find any.  The earliest that I could find for MW50 use in the Bf109G-6 was 2nd quarter 1944.

Quite honestly, that was the single biggest reason that I stopped advocating 1943 as the ideal year for global WWII simulators.  The Germans just weren't adequately competitve and the Japanese were marginal. Some of the aircraft that I concluded would make it into a 1943 centered model were thinks like:

F4U-1
F6F-3
P-38J
P-51B
B-17G (early version of the G)
TBM-3
Mosquito Mk VI Series 2
Spitfire LF.Mk IX
Lancaster Mk I
La-5FN
Yak-9T
Il-2-3M
Pe-2
Bf109G-6 (no MW50)
Bf110G-2
Fw190A-5
Me410A
Ju188A-1
C.205
S.M.79-II
A6M5
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-61-Ia
N1K1-J
B6N2
G4M2

As you can see, it allows interesting aircraft like the Bf110G-2, Me410A, Mosquito Mk VI and Pe-2 to be much more competitive because the super fighters haven't arrived.  It also screws the Axis in both the fighter and bomber departments, particularly the Germans in the fighter department and the Japanese in the bomber department.


IF I read this correct, this is a 1943 planeset? If so, the P-51B shouldn't be there, and the p-47D should be there. Not so sure the P-38J should be there also, but I am not sure. Was the Ki-44 active in that year too?
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Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2002, 07:15:52 AM »
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Originally posted by illo
Bf 109G-6/AS would be great.

When it came to front line units?


Not sure but i think in spring 1944...
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