Author Topic: Observations... (Read 1247 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2002, 04:35:18 PM »

Well, wolfs is actually wolves. And if you believe that those "types" of people texace listed above are sheep and nothing more, I got news for you... it's the government that feeds you this stuff about someone being underage because someone else decided that for you. What was the average life expectancy just a hundred years ago? 60 something? 50 something? Many were parents at the age of 14-18, and married.

So who's really the sheep, the one who decides what they want to do, or the one who lets someone else decide for them?
-SW

Russian · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2002, 05:09:24 PM »

Thanks for correcting my spelling. Are you trying to argue about age limit?

Hangtime · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2002, 05:41:47 PM »

Hey, Tex; don't get yer nads in an uproar yet.

Consider what the parents of my generation thought when faced with our transgressions against society. In a lotta ways, we made the current crop of teenage proclivities seem tame.

You generations challenges ain't all that that much different than the ones mine faced, the one after mine faced, and the one's yours will face.

You'll do ok. I have faith.

I also have drugs.

hmmmmm.

(eyeballs 'faith'. eyeballs 'drugs', selects one from each catagory)

ahem. Now, what were we talking about??

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2002, 06:02:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Russian
Thanks for correcting my spelling. Are you trying to argue about age limit?

Age limit? For what? Drinking? My goodness no.... I mean, the average 16 year old can coherse a bum into getting him alchohol. It ain't hard.

I'm just arguing that people will do whatever the government tells them. If the government says it's wrong, then it's gotta be wrong- despite some of these things that are wrong are actually legal in other parts of the world while one of the things held most dear in the US- alchohol- will get you shot on the spot in certain countries. (mostly countries in the mid-east because, as I understand it, Islam supports marijuana while it strongly rejects alchohol)

Some laws are simply silly, but most people believe they are "the only way" because the government says so.... of course at the same time they make these things more accessible to children.

Kind of silly, doncha think? Drugs are illegal in the states (most I believe should be, while one shouldn't be(marijuana)... and another one isn't(alchohol), well several aren't.. they are known as OTC drugs... and another one comes in cigarettes, nicotine)... this in turn means that adults- who would be the target of drug sales- aren't exposed to the scene while a much more susceptible and receptive audience are- children.

You ever heard the saying, "hook 'em while their young"? Exactly what's going on here. So next time you go "rah rah" for what penalties the government places on drug use, or for those rediculous anti-drug commercials- just remember... those penalties mean that the pushers are gonna push on the children who will openly accept it because... well, they're kids!

But, since the government tells you it's bad... well it's gotta be bad. Despite the fact that the government is made up of people who have done/tried all sorts of drugs, and probably had premiscuous(sp?) sex... but they come on the radio, or promote programs to encourage you otherwise.

Hypocrisy- it's the name of the game the government plays.
-SW

Curval · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2002, 06:28:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The funny thing is that I read the posts of Texace and Octavius and they are not much different than the same concerns we had twenty years ago.

True, except that the "cool" kids in high schools didn't drive kids who didn't fit in to start shooting up schools twenty years ago.

Sandman · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2002, 06:32:01 PM »

I'm not so sure, Curval.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2002, 06:42:58 PM »

Curval, at what point of "abuse" from your peers do you decide to get all kinds of weapons and go to school with the intent to kill?

Instead, I'm pretty sure these kids had something else wrong.. up stairs... if you know what I mean.
-SW

Eagler · « **Reply #22 on:** June 12, 2002, 07:11:36 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
But then again, I am 21.
-SW

explains alot

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2002, 07:27:53 PM »

I'm sure Eagler, did I mention I work for the Fed Gov?
-SW

Hangtime · « **Reply #24 on:** June 12, 2002, 09:31:35 PM »

Heritic.

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2002, 09:47:35 PM »

Every generation has the "going down the toilet" speech around it. Hell my mom and the kids of the 60-70's was more wacked out than most kids I see today by far. You can always find examples to support that but like I said, every generation has the same non-sense leveled against it.

Russian · « **Reply #26 on:** June 12, 2002, 10:02:42 PM »

AKSWulfe-

Age limit? For what? Drinking? My goodness no.... I mean, the average 16 year old can coherse a bum into getting him alchohol. It ain't hard.
So if its easy to do, should it be legal?
I'm just arguing that people will do whatever the government tells them. If the government says it's wrong, then it's gotta be wrong- despite some of these things that are wrong are actually legal in other parts of the world while one of the things held most dear in the US- alchohol- will get you shot on the spot in certain countries. (mostly countries in the mid-east because, as I understand it, Islam supports marijuana while it strongly rejects alchohol)
And because some one jumps off the bride, you follow? Why should government follow some 3rd world country that can barley make enough money for food?
Some laws are simply silly, but most people believe they are "the only way" because the government says so....
To you it might be stupid, but there might be a reason for that law that you are unaware off. If you are unhappy there are proper channels that you can use to ratify or delete laws

of course at the same time they make these things more accessible to children.

Laws make it easier to buy drugs? I disagree.

Kind of silly, doncha think?
No
Drugs are illegal in the states (most I believe should be, while one shouldn't be(marijuana)...
There are programs that can fix your addictions

and another one isn't(alchohol), well several aren't..

Since when alcohol became drug?

they are known as OTC drugs...

What is OTC?
and another one comes in cigarettes, nicotine)

Cigarette boxes have clearly written on them that its hazard to consumers’ health. If consumer chooses to smoke, enjoy long and painful death.
... this in turn means that adults- who would be the target of drug sales- aren't exposed to the scene while a much more susceptible and receptive audience are- children.
That’s why we have laws
You ever heard the saying, "hook 'em while their young"? Exactly what's going on here. So next time you go "rah rah" for what penalties the government places on drug use, or for those rediculous anti-drug commercials- just remember... those penalties mean that the pushers are gonna push on the children who will openly accept it because... well, they're kids!
Children are minor audience, they can’t afford to buy this stuff daily wail adults can participate whenever they feel need to. If American schools would educate “kids”, they would become wolves and would be able to think for them selves

But, since the government tells you it's bad... well it's gotta be bad. Despite the fact that the government is made up of people who have done/tried all sorts of drugs, and probably had premiscuous(sp?) sex... but they come on the radio, or promote programs to encourage you otherwise.

Hypocrisy- it's the name of the game the government plays.

If you want your government to lead by example, vote for person that is not hypocritical.

Ozark · « **Reply #27 on:** June 12, 2002, 10:04:57 PM »

Hey Texace

I’m sorry, I disagree. They just need a frog hair of seasoning. Hell, you wouldn’t believe how some of the lowest common denominators turned out for the good. (My class of 1977)

I believe that today’s young people are more in tune with current events.
I believe that today’s young people are willing to take risks to protect our way of life.
I believe that today’s young people, when rallied with a cause, can be the next “Greatest Generation”!

Sure, the news is full of reports of the lowest common denominator, does that make it right? Hell NO! People were whining about the younger generation for hundreds of years. Look at some of stories of Shakespeare! Same old squeak, different century. My thoughts are that good kids aren’t news worthy.

I look around and see some great kids. Please don’t let the bad ones blind you.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #28 on:** June 12, 2002, 10:21:21 PM »

Russian, let me begin with- you just stepped into a world of hurt.

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Originally posted by Russian
AKSWulfe-
So if its easy to do, should it be legal?

Should what be legal? Buying underage? No... I started off with stating that the legal age to drink was just fine. Buying underage, if you are caught- should be prosecuted according to the law. However, what do you think you will be more likely to get off of- drinking underage or in possession of marijuana? Both are illegal- but one will guarantee you some problems with the law, the other(depending on the cop) won't. Guess which one.

And because some one jumps off the bride, you follow? Why should government follow some 3rd world country that can barley make enough money for food?

Well, barley is what they make beer from... and a bride is a wife.. but you wanna know why marijuana is illegal? Then continue reading...

To you it might be stupid, but there might be a reason for that law that you are unaware off. If you are unhappy there are proper channels that you can use to ratify or delete laws

Oh no, you see... Marijuana is illegal based upon lies and misinformation of the '30s during which time illegal immigrants were a big problem and that's how they were making there money. One of the common commercials/informercials of the '30s was that you would beat your parent (in the commercial- a mom) unconscious to get your fix. A little bulltoejam? Oh yes.

Laws make it easier to buy drugs? I disagree.

No, LAWS do not make it easier to buy drugs- but by making CERTAIN laws this means that adults will be less receptible while children (unaware of laws, and generally more receptible to influencial things) will willing buy into certain things. Why do you think telemarketers target younger audiences????

There are programs that can fix your addictions
Addiction requires both a mental and physical addiction. Which means you NEED that drug to get through. There is no such thing as an addiction to marijuana.

Since when alcohol became drug?

Alchohol has always been a drug- everything you buy from aspirin to androtestorone is a drug. You may wanna read up on this stuff. Here ya go, and I quote: "President Reagan issued Executive Order12564 in September of 1986, which required all federal agencies to develop programs and policies to achieve a drug-free federal workplace, required an agreed-upon definition for drugs. Because of the political climate at that time, drugs actually meant illicit drugs. In 1988 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) “Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs” limited the drugs that are to be tested for to the following used illicit drug classes: marijuana, opiates (heroin, morphine), cocaine, amphetamine and methamphetamine, and phencyclidine.

Hmmmmm... a "agreed upon definition"... but that isn't the REAL definition of drugs.

What is OTC?

Over The Counter.

Cigarette boxes have clearly written on them that its hazard to consumers’ health. If consumer chooses to smoke, enjoy long and painful death.

Yes, they sure do... and your point is? Do they have this on alchohol? This destroys brain cells, your liver, your SKIN and your kidneys... you ever paid attention to WHAT alchohol does to you?

That’s why we have laws

Yes, and some laws have been changed- that's the point of laws. If they are bogus, they can be changed.

If you want your government to lead by example, vote for person that is not hypocritical.

I would, but let me know when one of those fellas steps forth.
-SW

eskimo2 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 12, 2002, 10:58:35 PM »

Tex & Oct,

As a teenager, I never gave in to the drug, alcohol and tobacco "peer pressure" either (and I still haven't at age 37). I knew it was a bad road to go down. Many (OK most) of my friends experimented with substances. I watched many of my old friends practically ruin their lives, becoming alcoholics and druggies, mixing with worse and worse people in order to maintain access to drugs, or eventually getting into serious trouble with the law. Others "got over it" and realized what was happening, gave up on drugs/alcohol. I think almost everyone eventually regrets getting hooked on tobacco, drugs or alcohol. I can relate to you. I never regretted not trying these things. Not for a second.

You are making the right choice!
And there are plenty more like you.
Choose your friends wisely.
They are so important at your age, and they will introduce you to more and more friends who also share your morals.

Your caution about sex is also wise. Unlike drugs, sex isn't something that you want to avoid your entire life, but you guys are 100% right at recognizing how quickly it can mess up or even end your life. Just remember, you've got nothing to prove. As tempting as it is, there is no reason to rush, and no reason to take great risks. And don't worry about being a nerd as far as girls go. Somewhere out-there, there is a perfect nerd-girl made just for you. Just be patient. Even a dork/nerd like myself was able to find a soul-mate.

As far as where your generation is going...
I think it will be fine. In every generation there are those who make good choices, and poor ones. The foolish always have the numbers. And very often, the ones who make poor choices in their youth, eventually wise up. The very bottom end of your generation, however, is more messed up than any generation that I have studied. But there is so much more to your generation than them, isn't there?

I have met plenty of kids from your generation that I admire. Hang in there guys.

eskimo