bishops key to success-not a flame

[Kronos]

My thoughts, having flown with them for awhile.

Yes, bishops have larger numbers than everyone else.  This helps them maintain a stable 2-front war, but does not give them the success that they have had.  Indeed, there were times when bishops outnumbered both knights and rooks by a large amount, and still lost bases on a consistent level.

bishops I have noticed, do one thing more consistently than any other country.  They participate in Missions.  Flying against bishops, I have noticed time and time again the standard tiffie raids that they produce.  Their missions are simple, and easy to operate.  They have individuals that have been around AH for a long time, and have flown bishops for most of that, so everyone knows them, and will follow them in a mission.

Knights used to do this aswell, and Ripsnort still does do some good missions, however, I think Ripsnort has been grounded in RL much more recently.  (not sure)  I haven't noticed as many missions coming from Knightland lately, although, I too haven't been flying asmuch as I would like.

People would argue that one of the reasons bishops missions are a success is because they have more people, therefore more will join.  This is not the case.  The mission simply has to be against the right target at the right time.  I once (a long long time ago) ran a successful lanc raid against both the City (when there was only one) and the Radar installation of a country, coordinating them both at the same time.  We had 8 lancs, no fighter cover, and just alot of good timing.

Anyway, to make a long story short, MISSIONS are a primary key to taking bases, and resetting an enemy.  Make missions, participate in them, and quite possibly, you too could win.

[lazs2]

I don't consider fighting over scraps "success".
lazs

[MrRiplEy[H]]

If bishops do these missions while outnumbered 2:1 and succeed, I'll call it a success..

The fact is that it's extremely hard to find people who will join a mission if they're all tied up in a 2:1 fight.

[ZeroPing]

bishops I have noticed, do one thing more consistently than any other country. They participate in Missions. Flying against bishops, I have noticed time and time again the standard tiffie raids that they produce.

dont u mean those bad AK base steals? knights are the masters at that.. can do it with 2 people (no offence)

[sling322]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]

The fact is that it's extremely hard to find people who will join a mission if they're all tied up in a 2:1 fight.

I wondered how long it would be before the "broken record" hopped in here.  

[AKWarp]

Thanks zeroping, I needed a good laugh........  

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Kronos


They have individuals that have been around AH for a long time, and have flown bishops for most of that, so everyone knows them, and will follow them in a mission.

 

Every Country has "Lifers", I for one have never flown Knights or Bishops. If I am wrong, then it was during my 2 week trial. Some "Lifers" are just more active than others.

Matter of Fact, It would be interesting to see a list of all the players who have never changed countries in MA.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Sling nobody asked you anything, if you have nothing to comment on the issue on the topic, don't.

[Hooligan]

People keep talking about Rooks, Knights and Bishops.  On my screen all I see are reds and greens.  I shoot the reds.

Hooligan

[sling322]

Yeah...and your comments were so on topic, eh MrRipley?

Sounded more like a back-handed gangbang whine to me.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Sling if someone claims numbers have nothing to do with mission joining and I claim otherwise, that's dead on the topic. You however have no other input besides whining about what I choose or choose not to say.

Get lost.

[Kweassa]

To say it fairly, to a certain extent I agree with Kronos. But in another aspect, some of the reason behind why many people participate in missions is itself not entirely independeant of numbers - or, the size of squads to be more precise.

 Now, this is not meant to belittle the squadrons in Bishops. They are good pilots with great organization. However, gathering up 20 individuals in a single mission is way harder than a 10 man squad forming up a mission and gathering 10 more individuals. Besides, the generous  numbers of Bishops allow a lot of people relatively "free" to pursue missions, while some other countries have every single one of their pilots pressed to local defense.

 I guess you can say it's sort of the anatomy of totality. The more numbers you begin with the more numbers you attract, the less numbers you begin with and attract even less. When a well-known and successful squad puts up a mission, many people will come. Or, when someone makes a mission and prominent squad members decide to join, people will follow. On the other hand, when a 3 man squad posts a mission in a losing country, not many people are inclined to join, and sometimes, having mission fun becomes simply a "luxury" one can only dream of, since some countries in some situations are pressed to defend a certain startegic location against 2 to 1 odds.

 In a sense, victory and organization, and total numbers play a part in the vicious circle of mission madness And I do admit I envy the better off countries with a lot of good missions going on.

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Now, this is not meant to belittle the squadrons in Bishops. They are good pilots with great organization. However, gathering up 20 individuals in a single mission is way harder than a 10 man squad forming up a mission and gathering 10 more individuals. Besides, the generous  numbers of Bishops allow a lot of people relatively "free" to pursue missions, while some other countries have every single one of their pilots pressed to local defense.

This one is not correct. It were much more missions made by bishops when nits were the dominant force in the arena, and during this time bishops kept to win 3 of 4 resets only due to beeing focuses. I used to gather 15 people missions with 30 bishops online -- there is no other coutry where you can do anything like that, and hardly it were 2-3 people from a same squad there.

More than that, we used to make a mission runs, so every mission were a part of plan, and every capture were just one step toward goal.

Actually, I am more than sure, that number inballance we witness last 3 months is created by our efforts, to be more precise it started when we won 11 reset streak while still not dominant force. After that numbers ballance were broken, and bishops got the numbers, and every win only made it worse.

I personally make very few missions now, because there is no much need for them, due to numbers, and also I am waiting for numbers ballance to be better. I prefer bishops to be the second largest force again, this make game more interesting.

Fariz

[MANDOBLE]

Cant say about bishorcs vs knights, but I rarely see a real bishorc mission against rookland, all I see is an horde after another. Sooner or later the few defenders need to retreat and fight just over his bases, each time lower and lower, sooner or later some buff makes into the base perimeter to kill the resources and radar, sooner or later another one will close the base and so on. All I see is a typical attrition war where the numbers rule. Even worse, when the outnumbered side is being vulched over its own fields, some genious go always to kill also the HQ.

Yesterday numbers at 23:00 GMT-1 were 122B, 60R, 65K when the gangbang started. Some bishes and knights were commenting in the general buffer about crushing the rooks as fast as possible to get rid off the Mindanao map and then bishorcs started to push from W, N and S and knights from E.

[Apar]

Right on Kweassa, couldn't agree more.

Focussing on sneak attacks now. Remember the Bish A35 sneak capture by knits last weekend, was awsome. Immediately afterwards we got A36 and A37, was a good tactical move that reduced the pressure from Bish somewhat.