Author Topic: Proof of MW50 in... (Read 695 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** June 14, 2002, 10:33:45 AM »

190 A's prior to that of the A8.

Having a hard time finding the video on internet so that everybody can get it, no ISBN on the box.

The video is called "Focke-Wulf FW190" and (seems to be) a part of the "Fighter aircraft of world war two" series. It's released by Eagle Rock entertainment, Pegasus.
A number you can search on is PEG 1228 (which is the number for the video).

This is a link to a company in GB that sells their videos HERE

I did a search on Google for "PEG 1228"and found that page, can't seem to find that particular video though on the site, you can probarly write them about it if you want the video, or ask me and I'll pick up another copy in the bookstore and send to you. Price around 10 dollars or so.

Anyway, although the narrator (as in all films) says some things wrong, it's the interviews with the pilots that makes it very interesting, they interview Günter Rall and Otto Stammberger amongst other, aswell as Douglas Barder (the story he tells is freaking fun btw

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While they interview Otto Stammberger, he says that when the Spitfire Mk9 arived, it could do everything as good as the 190's they were flying at the time, and some things much better (climb and turn for instance). He then says, and I quote:

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We had to quickly develop something better so we brought in a Water-Methanol injection system to cool the engine down and that was an improvement of 60, 70, 80 PS and once again we were faster then the spitfire.

Can we get better first hand information then this????

Also, what fuel do the 190's in AH use?

Edit: Might add that the Water-Methanol system was introduced quite soon after the arival of the Spit 9 thus being in opreational service on versions as early as the A5.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2002, 10:48:28 AM »

WTG Wilbus !

minus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 14, 2002, 11:06:46 AM »

seen some ww2 fotages when 190 activate mw50 , it smoke much much more , black heavy smoke and exhaust pipes go white from heat

just for hell cant remember what was the name

will be nice if some 1 will try this on hiz own car and compare

Wilbus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 14, 2002, 11:17:04 AM »

Yes Minus, trying to find my source where it says that LW used the MW50 to fool the Allies that they were mortally struck, I have so many books and videos now that i forget where I get all info from.

Minus, be sure to send me film fotage of your car when you do it

Fishu · « **Reply #4 on:** June 14, 2002, 12:08:14 PM »

A proof of Fw190 being also faster than Spit IX ?-)

Wilbus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 14, 2002, 12:12:19 PM »

As it is now A5 is already slightly faster at the deck the Spit 9 I THINK. With MW50 it would be quite a bit faster.

Sachs · « **Reply #6 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:02:03 PM »

Sweet info Wilbus. Now if only we can get it introduced.

Furious · « **Reply #7 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:14:51 PM »

Wilbus,

Come on man. You and I both know that this is far from proof. Don't give those predisposed to hurl insults more ammunition.

I have yet to see any conclusive evidence of MW50 used with the Fw 190's BMW-801d.

I am looking though.

F.

Wilbus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:32:51 PM »

IMO that is pretty good evidence that it was used on 190 A's.

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:43:27 PM »

Let me say like this, it's definite evedience that it was used operatinoally and in action by 190's as early as 1942/43.

I wouldn't quite say it's enough to add it though since we haven't found any charts nor have any numbers of how much it would increase the engine output.

I am positive that it was used and existed though.

Wotan · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:46:34 PM »

thats faster then the spit 9 we have in ah

Im sure funked and karnak have the specs for those other spit 9s.

The spit 9 we have is the slow one.

Gman · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2002, 01:57:42 PM »

What kind of cannon was the MW50?

-ammo- · « **Reply #12 on:** June 14, 2002, 02:05:43 PM »

I am positive that the P-47D11 was used with a Hamilton "paddleblade" prop too, but HTC aint budging on that one:)

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 14, 2002, 02:22:14 PM »

Ammo, if you've followed the other threads you'd know what I am after here

I am not after HTC to add MW50, just trying to rpove that it was indeed used in 190 A's prior to the 190 A8. There aren't as much good charts and such about german planes as there are about US ones (unfortunatly).

Gman, MW50 is a power boost, Water-methanol, system that german planes used.

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2002, 03:03:32 PM »

Neat info. Thanks Wilbus.

I find this part of the quote to be quite revealing:

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While they interview Otto Stammberger, he says that when the Spitfire Mk9 arived, it could do everything as good as the 190's they were flying at the time, and some things much better (climb and turn for instance).

As too the relative speeds of Spitfire Mk IXs:

Merlin 61 powered Spitfire F.Mk IX (what we have) had a sea level speed of 321mph. 300 or so Spitfire F.Mk IXs were built. The Spitfire F.Mk IX entered service in 1942.

Merlin 66 powered Spitfire LF.MK IX had a sea level speed of 336mph and a top speed of 407mph at 22,000ft. More than 3,000 Spitfire LF.Mk IXs were built. The Spitfire LF.Mk IX entered service in 1943.

Merlin 70 powered Spitfire HF.Mk IX had a sea level speed of 329mph and a top speed of 416mph at 27,800ft. More than 1,000 Spitfire HF.Mk IXs were built. The Spitfire HF.Mk IX entered service in 1943.