Another Dead Horse Uppercut

[ROC]

As a relative newcomer to AH, lurking off and on for months, steady now, I've hated the HO aspect of the game.  But that's a flying style that has to be dealt with so I've learned to simply avoid them, or if I'm in a playful mood, just ram the SOBs    Really not worth fussing over one way or another.

[Seeker]

I rant, rave and scream every night about balless Ho'ers.

Because....

It's my own fault. Each and every time. I know they're going to do it, you know, every one knows, but some where deep inside there's a little AW voice that say "HO's disabled". Shortly followed by a little AH voice that says "sucker".

Fact is, don't let any one point the pointy end of their plane at you, at anything under D1000.

There. Now it's all explained, I don't expect to hear anymore about it.

Until tomorrow.

[Nomde]

Let's forget the HO debate
I've flown both AW and AH and i've died in both due to spineless dweebmiester HO'rs. And yes I too, on occasion, have been a spineless dweebmiester Ho'r  
It's a personal honor code, to each his own. I will try my best to avoid one on the merge, but if I find that's not possible... let's roll. I die 90% of the time and the other 10% i'm left with only half a wing and struggling to land.  

[Mathman]

Ok, there are two reasons I try to avoid an HO.

1)  In an HO, it is very rare that my plane is not damaged or destroyed.  I like to fight in a clean plane.  Thus, I don't want bullets hitting it.

2)  By avoiding the HO, I set myself up for a position of advantage on the pour soul who just wasted whatever advantage he had on me by trying desperately for the HO kill.

As far as HO's being right or wrong or lame or whatever you want to call them, I could care less.  Any shot is a valid shot.  If someone wants to blow their chances of beating me 1v1 by going for the HO, they are welcome to it.  Yes, they piss me off, but not because it was a HO.  They piss me off because I screwed up and let them shoot me.

-math

[DanielMcIntyre]

Sheesh it was just a suggestion, no need to get all worked up  

Obviously everyone loves their range icons, so thats that.  

I haven't been killed 1 v 1 this entire tour, and I haven't been killed in HO this entire tour.  In fact this is the best i've ever done in AH so far.  So i'm happy.

Consider this thread closed.


 

[Westy MOL]

"yes I too, on occasion, have been a spineless dweebmiester Ho'r"

Me too. My trigger finger has tourettes.

[Drano]

Originally posted by Mathman:

2)  By avoiding the HO, I set myself up for a position of advantage on the pour soul who just wasted whatever advantage he had on me by trying desperately for the HO kill.


DINGDINGDINGDING!! A gold star for the Mathman!

As far as HO's being right or wrong or lame or whatever you want to call them, I could care less.  Any shot is a valid shot.  If someone wants to blow their chances of beating me 1v1 by going for the HO, they are welcome to it.  Yes, they piss me off, but not because it was a HO.  They piss me off because I screwed up and let them shoot me.

Pretty mcuh how I feel about it too. The way I look at it whether I got HO'd or not generally speaking every time I get killed (which is quite often) I have to give myself at least half the credit--sometimes more!

                 Drano

-math

[texter]

Originally posted by Zygote:
Head On Attacks
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AW forward deflector shields sucked right?
but
how about when 2 aircraft are headon or within say 5 degrees of headon, the range icons disappear.
just a thought

Something a lot of AW'ers don't remember, or else weren't there for, were the joust warrior threads in the Crash and burn. AW HAD headons at one time. The difference between then and now is the gunnery model. The difference between AH and even the new AW gunnery models are, imo, huge. My tactic for Zekes then was a headon pass till the hitcode was changed. Then I avoided them like the plague they are.  

Once again they don't bother me any more, well, a small twinge of concious maybe, but I'm sure that will pass soon.  

Tex

[Tumor]

HO's?  Whats the problem?  It's a gamble, but it's a valid shot.  Just don't try and deny it lol.  Last time I called someone to the carpet about a very dweebish 10 minute target fixation followed by 3 consecutive HO's (c'mon guyz, an La7 vs a F4U and Russkie was pulling the HO's lol) I got for an answer................"It wasn't a HO, it was a high angle deflection shot" lol.  Geez...just, just...CALL IT WHAT IT IS heheh  

Tumor

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Creamo

Add Richard Bongs quote about prefering a HO tactic on lessor equipped Japanese aircraft, then 'Ol Oswald makes your quoting him just a diffrent tactic, from a diffrent theater, with diffrent aircraft.
 

  Could someone post a link or reference to Bong's HO statement?  I've yet to be able to find it on the net.

[Karnak]

I mostly fly Mosquitoes.  Damn right I'll HO you because your ride almost certainly outperforms mine in all other categories.

And the people who whine that I didn't hand them a free kill can kiss me bum.

[Tumor]

Karnak
  It's an old thread, I'm just trying to find where (when) R. Bong talked about HO's.

[Toad]

It was McGuire, not Bong, I think.

"Offered in evidence is the Japanese reaction to the head-on pass. They don't like it and nine out of 10 will break first, even before they are in range. To be sure, the head-on attack cannot be recommended when flying a plane that has little armament, no convergence of lines of fire, and light armor, but what about this shout of "Banzai" and the suicide crash? Nothing about it because the Japanese aren’t living up to dying for their propaganda.

Instead they will break from the head-on pass in a vertical bank and try to come around for a tail attack. The P-38 pilot need only to keep on at the same speed or go into a shallow dive to defeat this tactic, for the enemy pilot loses speed in the bank and turn and will wind up too far behind to be a menace. In this case of the exceptional one who does hold to a head-on pass, simply push over. The Japanese pilot will invariably go up. One thing you must not do when committed to a head-on pass: you must not turn until entirely clear."


Combat Tactics in the SouthWest Pacific Area

[akak]

Originally posted by DanielMcIntyre


I wasted an entire tank of fuel in P38 yesterday trying to kill a N1K who's sole intention was to force a HO.  


 

Then you weren't flying correctly.  Instead of trying to go for a snap-deflection shot on the Niki, you should have gone vertical and roped it.  The Niki would have burned all his energy yanking and banking for that HO shot that you could have easily roped him or safely BnZ'ed him taking away any chances of him trying to maneuver for the HO.


Ack-Ack

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Toad
It was McGuire, not Bong, I think.

"Offered in evidence is the Japanese reaction to the head-on pass. They don't like it and nine out of 10 will break first, even before they are in range. To be sure, the head-on attack cannot be recommended when flying a plane that has little armament, no convergence of lines of fire, and light armor, but what about this shout of "Banzai" and the suicide crash? Nothing about it because the Japanese aren’t living up to dying for their propaganda.

Instead they will break from the head-on pass in a vertical bank and try to come around for a tail attack. The P-38 pilot need only to keep on at the same speed or go into a shallow dive to defeat this tactic, for the enemy pilot loses speed in the bank and turn and will wind up too far behind to be a menace. In this case of the exceptional one who does hold to a head-on pass, simply push over. The Japanese pilot will invariably go up. One thing you must not do when committed to a head-on pass: you must not turn until entirely clear."


Combat Tactics in the SouthWest Pacific Area

Cool
Thanks Toad