Author Topic: Another Dead Horse Uppercut (Read 422 times)

DanielMcIntyre · « **on:** November 03, 2001, 10:23:00 PM »

Head On Attacks
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AW forward deflector shields sucked right?

but

how about when 2 aircraft are headon or within say 5 degrees of headon, the range icons disappear.

just a thought

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2001, 10:34:00 PM »

Ugh, no thanks. IMO, something like that would make headons harder to avoid, not easier.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Kratzer · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2001, 11:33:00 PM »

It takes two to tango... any angle is acceptable - this isn't golf, it's war, and I don't understand why this is seen as 'not fair'. Sure, I get killed in head ons sometimes, sometimes I come out on top, and if I want to avoid them, I do...

DanielMcIntyre · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:

Ugh, no thanks. IMO, something like that would make headons harder to avoid, not easier.

Err how do you figure that? Personally I think range icons are BS anyhow. But knowing exactly how far an enemy is and being able to judge closure rates at more then Mach 1 is rediculous imo.

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Originally posted by Kratzer:

It takes two to tango... any angle is acceptable - this isn't golf, it's war, and I don't understand why this is seen as 'not fair'. Sure, I get killed in head ons sometimes, sometimes I come out on top, and if I want to avoid them, I do...

"It takes 2 to tango?"

Crap, if your opponent can turn more sharply then you, he will invariably be able to get his nose around for a HO before you've even completed your turn.

I wasted an entire tank of fuel in P38 yesterday trying to kill a N1K who's sole intention was to force a HO.

"any angle is acceptable?"

"In any form of attack it is essential to assail your opponent from behind" - Oswald Boelcke.

According to one of the most successful and greatest fighter pilots of all time, you are incorrect.

"I don't understand why this is seen as 'not fair'"

IMO its not a matter of being fair, its a matter of gameplay. Being able to hit a target from 1.5k (P51, P47's do this alot) headon is simply stupid. I had this lil problem with a N1K about a week ago, soon as I tried to turn for a deflection shot, he would line up for a headon. So I extended to 3k turned around and started firing my tiffies guns at 1.5k, started getting hits at 1k, he blew up at 500d. That kind of gunnery is BS and caused IMO by the range icons.

Creamo · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:40:00 AM »

Icons are gameplay related, mpstly because of monitor limits.

HO's are reality.

Why confuse the 2?

Add Richard Bongs quote about prefering a HO tactic on lessor equipped Japanese aircraft, then 'Ol Oswald makes your quoting him just a diffrent tactic, from a diffrent theater, with diffrent aircraft.

You want a AH Ladder with rules for TnB, which is fine and Exile would be more than happy to help you.

It's not good MA. Rightfully so.

Seeker · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:46:00 AM »

Another HO whiner.

If you shot him, he couldn't do it.

You have better guns than he does, and more ammo.

Time to practise, I'd say.

Boozer · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:52:00 AM »

Get used to it Zy, that's some folks' best air combat maneuver and they rely on it here.

But it usually can be avoided and I just roll under the brave joust warrior get my seperation and hunt elsewhere. They'll find another HO dweeb to roll the dice againt.

Creamo · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:58:00 AM »

Actually Boozer, anyone that MUST HO is firing in zoom mode, and if you are hitting the merge properly, they are meat, even if your in a lessor turn fighter.

Of course if your in a BnZ plane, getting in a HO defeated your purpose before the engagment.

Fuk, even I know this.

Where do you guys that don't, fit in?!

[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]

Boozer · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2001, 06:23:00 AM »

Sounds like you're saying it don't take 2 to tango. Go figure.

Creamo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2001, 06:32:00 AM »

Sounds like I just described 2 planes in fact, that “tango”, and told you the predicted results.

Either you don’t understand basic ACM, or are inebriated, or stupid.

Only one I can tolerate when discussing fact, and your drinking Kool-aid.

Carry on.

Westy MOL · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »

Rear "6" attacks suck too. What's the point?

Westy

Dago · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2001, 09:08:00 AM »

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Another HO whiner

My thoughts exactly. Yes, it does take two to tango. I have never seen a single plane HO yet!

Dont want to risk an HO? Dont play AH.

Want the other guy not to turn to put guns on you? Fly against the offline drones.

I think its time for all to realize that not everyone is highly skilled in ACM. Not everyone is going to fly like the other player wants them to. Someone attacking me? I am going to turn to put my guns on them, and if that means an HO, so be it. The other guy has my permission to avoid the HO if he likes, he has my permission to turn his tail toward me if he wants to, but DO NOT expect me to do it.

I certainly prefer a good turn fight with each of us working for a superior position in the fight, but not every fight will go that way, and alot of turn fights turn into a series of minor quick HO snap shots.

HO's will never cease to exist, I just wish the ongoing complaints about HO's would stop.

Dago

skernsk · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »

Zygote..sounds like you had a bad night. The only thing I consider a HO is at the intiaial merge. (Which I sometimes do btw

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After TnB if I get my nose around faster thatn you and give you a squirt of my ammo and you go down...that was NO HO in my books that was a good old fashion dogfight.

There ar so many times that people get the nose around faster than me and give me a nice all expenses paid trip to the tower that I believe many practice that form of DOGFIGHTING.

There is no cure for this because there is nothing in NEED of fixing.

Ghosth · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2001, 09:59:00 AM »

Skernsk has it right IMO.

You see the other guy at 6k both more or less coalt, both go straight at the other guy and once in range guns blazeing thats a HO.

Once past that first intial merge your in a turn fight or a E fight. You happen to pass nose to nose its a foward quarter shot but its NOT a HO IMO.

gunhogfw · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2001, 11:09:00 AM »

what i dont understand is why a enemy is in a GV and you dont get a icon on them until there like shooting at you almost you can here the engine before the icon comes up!! but if it is your teammate you can see him from 6k????