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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2002, 12:44:24 PM »
Grimm:

I have a hybrid network as you describe with all LinkSys stuff. I have a wired 4 port DSL router with an 8 port wired switch uplinked to it and a 4 port wireless AP uplinked to the switch. The router provides DHCP addresses to everything in the house. I use a VPN to connect my wireless clients to the network for security reasons. Works great.

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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2002, 03:03:51 PM »
I did a little searching but found this cool deal...

http://www.linksys.com/products/display.asp?conmap=027BEFW11P1CMdiagram.jpg&prid=171&grid=22

Looks like it would do everything nicely.

If you look around on the Linksys website, there may be some cheaper units that can handle these tasks too.   This one seems to cover everything thou.

« Last Edit: June 18, 2002, 03:05:55 PM by Grimm »

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2002, 09:05:33 PM »
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Interference: you said you're sharing a house. I assume that means a single family detached home. That means the only possible interference you'd have would be coming from inside your house. You want to take into account other wireless devices like phones or remotes. Other devices like microwaves could cause interference but that depends on the quality of the device you don't want to be interfered with.


Yup, single-family home and WAY detached.  Nearest neighbors are 1/4 mile away, which is a bummer because in my youth I could shoot my deer rifle safely in any direction :(

In the house are a microwave and 2 cordless phones, neither of which is top-end or very new.

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Line Sharing:  For a concise answer, you need to provide us with the speed of DSL you're getting and what type of net activities your non-gaming roomies do. Do they just do web, email, and news?


I have no idea what the DSL speed will be.  It's not here yet, it's just on the horizon.  I'm just trying to get ready for it when it eventually arrives ;).

I'm the only bandwidth hog.  Mostly I do email, read messages boards, and have ICQ running although mostly not in use.  Several times a week, however, I play AH and/or TCP/IP games.  Nobody streams anything, nor downloads porn.  One of my roomies uses the net every day, but only for email and looking at stock prices, and that only when I'm not home.  The other only uses the net 3 or 4 times a week and only for email, but during the time I'm home.

This is, doubtless, subject to change.  If prior experience with other things is any guide, excess capacity doesn't exist in practice :).  So once we get broadband, I wouldn't be surprised if one or both roomies started streaming or otherwise upped their bandwidth use, because now they can.  However, I am certain neither will ever do any online gaming.

For that last reason, efficiency between PCs isn't anything to worry about.  We're not going to be playing anything together and we're not going to be having LAN parties.  In fact, it might be nice if intra-network communications were inefficient so they can't spam me when I'm trying to fly :).

As stated, I know next to nothing about any of this.  However, like Grimm deduced, I know just enough to be aware that hybrid networks are possible.  And I really, really don't want to run any wires, not only because that would be a pain to do, but because prior experience has shown wires in this house don't last long due to rodent teeth.  So if I could hook my roomies up wireless, while not adversely affecting my AH connectivity, I'd be really happy.

I really don't know what exactly a "shared connection" means, nor what it implies for networking and AH connectivity.  All I know for sure, because I'm drinking buddies with one of the phone company guys who's installing the DSL stuff in the area, is that there will be only 1 internet connection per house, so if you have multiple PCs there you have to "share" it.

Thanks to all for the advice so far.

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2002, 09:15:31 PM »
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I Cant believe you came here for the answer.   LOL!   Just look to your squaddies.   What a guy will do to avoid having to buy drinks ;)     heheheheeheheee


As you may recall, I brought this up in the squad forum a while back.  But I hadn't thought about it enough to know what questions to ask.  So after some weeks more drinking, I broke down and asked support@hitechcreations.com directly.  I figured if anybody knows what the effect of networking on AH performance is, it would be them.  But they copped out completely and said ask in these forums.

Actually, I was kinda pleasantly surprised at their answer.  I was really just expecting an HTC mailer daemon to say "two weeks" automatically :D

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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2002, 09:22:02 PM »
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Use a wireless access point device like the LinkSys EtherFast® Wireless AP + Cable/DSL Router w/4-Port Switch


Linksys.....  For the past little while, I've been seeing vague references to Linksys gear being used to cheat with.  I don't want to know how that works--I probably wouldn't understand the explanation anyway.  But I am concerned a bit.  Is the cheating something only possible with deliberate manipulation of this stuff, or is it an automatic by-product of normal use, so that you're going to be warpy or whatever automatically?

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2002, 09:40:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Bullethead
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I have no idea what the DSL speed will be.  It's not here yet, it's just on the horizon.  I'm just trying to get ready for it when it eventually arrives ;).


See if you can find out the distance to your CO. This will determine the maximum download speed you can get. You can normally find this at your prospective provider's website. I use SpeakEasy as my DSL provider and Covad handles the connect. I was able to check Covad's site to see my distance to the CO and what speed services they offered at that distance.

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I'm the only bandwidth hog.  Mostly I do email, read messages boards, and have ICQ running although mostly not in use.  Several times a week, however, I play AH and/or TCP/IP games.  Nobody streams anything, nor downloads porn.  One of my roomies uses the net every day, but only for email and looking at stock prices, and that only when I'm not home.  The other only uses the net 3 or 4 times a week and only for email, but during the time I'm home.

This is, doubtless, subject to change.  If prior experience with other things is any guide, excess capacity doesn't exist in practice :).  So once we get broadband, I wouldn't be surprised if one or both roomies started streaming or otherwise upped their bandwidth use, because now they can.  However, I am certain neither will ever do any online gaming.


Seemingly limitless bandwidth compared to dialup speed does strange things to user's demands :D
I supposedly have a 768/384 setup. In reality, it's 768/768. It's about 12 times faster than my old dialup connect. I know my demand for stuff went through the roof when I got hooked up :D

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For that last reason, efficiency between PCs isn't anything to worry about.  We're not going to be playing anything together and we're not going to be having LAN parties.  In fact, it might be nice if intra-network communications were inefficient so they can't spam me when I'm trying to fly :).

As stated, I know next to nothing about any of this.  However, like Grimm deduced, I know just enough to be aware that hybrid networks are possible.  And I really, really don't want to run any wires, not only because that would be a pain to do, but because prior experience has shown wires in this house don't last long due to rodent teeth.  So if I could hook my roomies up wireless, while not adversely affecting my AH connectivity, I'd be really happy.

I really don't know what exactly a "shared connection" means, nor what it implies for networking and AH connectivity.  All I know for sure, because I'm drinking buddies with one of the phone company guys who's installing the DSL stuff in the area, is that there will be only 1 internet connection per house, so if you have multiple PCs there you have to "share" it.


If you pick up the gear I recommended above a shared connection would work like this:

You'll get some kind of DSL modem from your provider.
You'll be assigned 1 external IP address from your provider.
You plug the line from the DSL modem into the DSL router you buy. This DSL router has a simple configuration screen where you punch in the external IP address, gateway, primary and secondary DNS, and so on.
A feature of the router is to act as a DHCP server for your internal network.
This allows the router to use that external IP address the provider gave you as it's own address (routable to the Internet or public) and to dole out internal IP addresses (non-routable or private) to all computers that connect to that router.
This effectively allows all your internal network users to share the same external IP address for net access.

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Thanks to all for the advice so far.


No problem.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2002, 09:46:12 PM »
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Linksys.....  For the past little while, I've been seeing vague references to Linksys gear being used to cheat with.  I don't want to know how that works--I probably wouldn't understand the explanation anyway.  But I am concerned a bit.  Is the cheating something only possible with deliberate manipulation of this stuff, or is it an automatic by-product of normal use, so that you're going to be warpy or whatever automatically?


I don't know what the cheat is and I've seen some the of the same referrences you have no doubt. I can tell you I dont' see any mass warping on my FE nor have I had any complaints from kills or squaddies that I've been warping.

I've seen HiTech refer to the matter being taken in hand for 1.10. It's something about how LinkSys does the transition between UDP and TCP/IP packets. Says he's implemented some sort of fix. It was in that banana getting banned thread that HT locked.