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Offline moose

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« on: June 18, 2002, 07:45:26 AM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/17/national/main512539.shtml

Pretty horrific :(

Why did the plane roll left when the right wing was the 1st to snap off?
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2002, 08:03:24 AM »
It was modelled by Cornered Rat Software?

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2002, 08:04:00 AM »
It looked to me like both wings fell off at about the same time.  Did they hit a tree or something?  What the hell would cause both wings to come off in flight?  Those poor crewmembers :(

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2002, 08:10:42 AM »
if they didn't hit something, my guess is they pulled up too fast

their families left behind :(
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2002, 09:02:34 AM »
That's horrific! :(

I can imagine losing my wings when flying in RL and... well, it's something I don't want to think about :(

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2002, 09:11:02 AM »
Poor pilots
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looked liked overstressed wings

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2002, 09:40:02 AM »
Thermal?

I've heard of some pretty intense thermals from flying over a forest fire...I, too, wonder if the wings were overstressed

to the crew for trying to save others

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2002, 09:58:03 AM »
That was a horrible news video indeed.

Did anyone else notice the plane started to pull up very quickly as they sheared at the same time? It just cleaned them right off.

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2002, 10:00:43 AM »
I've seen that video...

Shocking :(

Poor heroes :(

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2002, 11:31:12 AM »
It's hard to tell from that video, but something just doesn't look right. It's just awful, though. :(

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2002, 01:11:32 PM »
My guess would also be that they hit a strong updraft causing the airframe to be overstressed.  As to why the plane rolled left and not right, there could be several explanations.  

-First could be that the left wing broke off slightly before the right wing, starting a rolling motion to the left, which continued as the plane spun in.  

-Another possibility is that the right wing broke off first, but that the aircraft was actually in a stalled condition as the wings broke away, causing the heavier left side, with the wing still attached momentarily to drop.  

-A third possibility is that the right wing broke off first but that the turbelance surrounding the aircraft overrode the tendency of the left wing to try to rise.  

-A fourth possibility is that right wing broke off first, then in that fraction of a second, the pilot feeling the plane entering a right roll, input full left aileron and stomped in some left rudder, trying to counteract the roll, and actually succeeded in stopping the roll just as the other wing broke off.  (In Aces High I have had a wing completely shot off, and before I realized that the whole wing was gone, tried to hold the roll using full control inputs.  In some planes you can actually stop the roll for about two or three seconds if you are fast enough on the controls, and as long as your airspeed remains high.  Nonetheless, I consider this theory as the most unlikely for numerous reasons, for example, I'm not sure if the aircraft has sufficient control authority to counteract total loss of lift on one side of the aircraft, even for a second,  especially if the engines on the left wing were still running at full power.)  

-The final possibility is that both wings broke off at the same time, and the plane just happened to roll left.

Whatever happened, the fact remains that a brave aircrew died doing a dangerous job.  They are heroes and should be remembered as such.  My sincere condolences to their friends and families.  Salute to air tanker crews and all firefighters everywhere, and a big salute the 3 crew members on this one. May they rest in peace.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2002, 01:58:47 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by moose
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/17/national/main512539.shtml

Pretty horrific :(

Why did the plane roll left when the right wing was the 1st to snap off?


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=716&/?u


video link is on right about 3rd 1 down.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2002, 01:58:52 PM »
Definately overstressed the wings.  This is the second C130 video where I have seen the wings snap off.  Its a big plane and just cant handle violent, or even semi-violent maneuvers.

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2002, 02:04:00 PM »
As to why the plane rolled left and not right, there could be several explanations.

He G sheared the left wing milla-seconds first. Right wing gave milla-second lift before it departed as well.

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2002, 02:33:38 PM »
Ithougth c-130 very tuff plane..seems like Thermal may be good idea...

But O h My God.....Im atleaast glad it happened quik...

Im a pilot and that makes me feel sik....The wings look like they come off very easy....??

God Bless them and there families..SALUTE

I cant beleive that footage

Please you guys have a great day and hug your friends and families...

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