Author Topic: Luftwaffe guncamera (Read 1055 times)

Tuborg · « **on:** June 18, 2002, 09:00:04 AM »

You might find this interesting. It reminds us all that we are playing a fun but rather silly game out there, thank heaven for that!
Broadband is recommended otherwise you can download the mpg file (23MB). I will leave it on the server for 10 days.

http://81.19.238.131/demo/

Cheers

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2002, 09:18:05 AM »

What really struck the eye there was the need for high-speed slashing attacks on the buffs.. Who on earth would dream of making a direct 6 attack on a buff formation, right?

Also in the P51 snip, wasn't that a HO attack caught on film?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2002, 10:14:36 AM »

Who on earth would dream of making a direct 6 attack on a buff formation, right?

Hmmm watch the video again...... With your eyes open this time, there are indeed, several direct 6 OC atacks against single bombers and formations. I have the whole hour of this footage on VHS and there are other direct attacks from the rear.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2002, 10:56:45 AM »

Lol Grun, didn't you spot the sarcasm?

8 out of 10 of those guncams were 6 attacks. That's what I meant.

minus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2002, 11:04:28 AM »

wonder why all tail guners in formation dont shot down the Lw plane are they all dead ? or sleep or just aim in real life is diferent from Rambo stile snipering

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2002, 11:04:36 AM »

Yeah- but in how many of those direct 6 attacks are any of the guns firing?

None that I've seen, I'm willing to bet the bombers that did fire back meant that gun camera wasn't getting back to base.
-SW

K West · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2002, 11:35:00 AM »

Maybe because the icons in those real life guncams were porked and for some strange they are not displayed?

Westy

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2002, 12:45:48 PM »

Again I have the whole hour of this film on VHS and I guess that I think they must must have just happend upon hordes of B17s and B24s that simply had no defensive guns - how nice of the allies to assist the LW in the creation of this training film.

And its not just tail guns, imagine flying so close over one of AH B17 right wings like in that video.....

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2002, 12:49:59 PM »

My opinnion still is that if AH hit sprites were reduced to dust and particles falling off the hit spot, gunnery would be a lot more realistic.

Right now you can hit with .303 and get a big flash to report a hit from long distance..

If you didn't see the flashes, figuring out the right lead would be a lot more difficult.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2002, 01:01:29 PM »

I've seen tons of gun camera from the LW Grunherz, this isn't the first glimpse I've gotten... and I rarely, if ever, see the gunners firing back when they get in that close.

Chances are, those bombers have already been crippled or damaged leaving many crew members on board fighting fires, assisting wounded, or simply trying to get away from those 20mm and 30mm volleyballs being lobbed at them.

The reason buffs are so l33t in AH is because there is no fear, your crew members don't tend to the wounded (ala B17II, where certain stations will be unmanned after fighters have already slashed through the formation and wounded several people)... fact is, the guns ain't firing.. if they were, do you honestly think those Fws would of lived getting in that close?
-SW

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2002, 01:09:55 PM »

It wouldn't be very smart to leave your gunning position to assist a crewmate.. This would lead to the destruction of the whole plane as nobody is shooting back.

There were tracers coming in from the buffs too, at least I thought I saw some flash in front of the cam.

The 190A8 was armoured to withstand most hits from front, might be part of the reason why they did the 6-attack. Other thing is that probably in real life the gunners were very vulnerable and needed only a few rounds to stop shooting back. This is something I've noticed in AH - gunners are extremely hard to kill. They mainly die from direct hispano hits, .303 or .50 does nothing to them unless they get hit REAL hard.

Only time I can recall .50 killing a gunner on my buff was when I got strafed by 3 jugs in a row. Quickly after that the whole tail droped off naturally.

Another thing that surprises me is the stories about russian bombers.. The fighter pilots have said that the bombers practically never made any evasive movements (a la rudder in AH) but flied nicely in formation instead right up to the moment they were shot down. The fighters went in so close (after disabling the tail and top gunners) that the plane was bouncing from the propwash of the buff (another thing that isn't modeled in AH.)

I say make gunners more vulnerable, buffs harder to damage. From the looks of those films the fighters used quite a bit ammo to drop a single buff. Interesting note was the 110G2 which apparently had schrage musik installation (bomber got hit while passing it from below.)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2002, 01:15:09 PM »

cc MrRipley, a 20mm lobbed into a gunning station would kill, or atleast wound, the occupant(s).

The only flashes I saw coming off the B17s were from cannon shells impacting.

Leaving the station may not be smart, but guys did it.

Ever noticed how the bombers that the Fws got really close to were seperated from the formation? They weren't seperated because they wanted to take on the whole LuftWaffe Duke Nukem style.
-SW

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2002, 02:17:25 PM »

these guys wouldent last 5 sec agains a aces high buff lol.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2002, 02:21:45 PM »

yes excellnt footage if you can say wacthingf men die..

But I also have the best video out of extensive cloeelctuion is called..

No Easy Days series.....Gun Camera Footage

Absouluty Brutal....There is even sound in it..And you can hear the cannons going ..then you can hear all cannosns kikn in..Shootn down big American bomers..In that video colllection..You can defintyl see return fire from buffs..Tho I think alot of gunners were wounded so after a few sprays..The buff is pretty defensles....My heart dropped wacthing these Ftrs just chew on the bak of theses Buffs....

As a fellow pilot in real life..I still cannot imagine the thoughts going thru the heads of those pilots as 20-30 mill shells go through you..

God Bless them and there families...

Love BiGB
xoxo
BGBMAW 1st Marine Air Wing

fdiron · « **Reply #14 on:** June 18, 2002, 03:15:01 PM »

Did you guys notice how the P47s self-sealing fuel tanks worked? You see flames shooting out of the left wing root of the P47, then the flames extinguish and you see fuel spraying out, then finally the fuel stops leaking out.