Author Topic: Does the F8F have a place here? (Read 2473 times)

Jester · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2002, 10:03:32 PM »

NO

If it didn't fire a shot or drop a bomb against enemy forces it has no place in here IMO.

There are many great planes yet to be modeled in here. Only way you are going to be away from everyone flying the "Ubber Bird" de jeur is have an RPS (Rolling Plane Set). Nut untill HTC gets a few more types online that is not very practical.

Pongo · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2002, 10:07:38 PM »

I would love it to be here.

oboe · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2002, 10:19:30 PM »

Depends.

What if they go ahead and add 1945-46 planes? Ever been done in a MMOL sim flight sim before? Might be kind of interesting.

I do hope they fill out the actual war planeset first, though. Especially the Japanese planeset.

Widewing · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2002, 11:59:31 PM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Seafury piston engined, 460 mph at 18000ft.
Think Tempest on steroids.
Believe they were used in unlimited class air racing setting speed records.
Unfortunately not used in WW2.

Yes, the Seafury has done well in air racing. However, none of them come close to Lyle Shelton's F8F, Rarebear. It currently holds the Closed Course World Speed Record (528.3 mph) and 3000 Meter Time-To-Climb Record (91.9 seconds). During one leg of the record shattering speed run, Rarebear reached 540 mph TAS.

My regards,

Widewing

mipoikel · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2002, 02:53:21 AM »

Dammit!

BRING BREWSTER TO AH!

Wilbus · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2002, 06:16:45 AM »

I'm countrin WW2 planes here guys, not WW2 planes greatly modified with new engines etc. If I'm not misstaking that (damn cool looking btw) F8F Widewing have a picture of also has got a low drag canopy.

Count WW2 planes only and F8F is far from the fastest.

XP47 - P47M prototype reached 510mph. TA152 472mph, Do335 474mph, P51H 482mph.

28sweep · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2002, 07:36:04 AM »

I don't know about fastest but I am sure it still holds the record for time to 10,000 ft for a piston engine plane. I don't believe it was modfied and the test was done by the US navy off a carrier.........

eddiek · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2002, 07:37:25 AM »

Would the F8F be interesting? Yes. Does it have a place in AH? IMO, NO.
Neither it, nor the D-335, or others that were "in production" but did not see combat. And I'm not talking incidental combat, where it just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time......
My personal definition of "saw combat" would be the plane was deployed, deemed ready for operation, flew missions with intent to do battle, and did see battle.
This discounts, at least for me, any of the "yeah, well, Oberleutnant Uberdonut was flying the FW99023 on a test flight, and he got jumped by 100 Mustangs. He firewalled the throttle and zoomed away from them. They shot at him, so he saw combat." Those accounts are really reaching, and seem more desperate to get the plane modelled than a rational reason to have the plane included in AH.
Just my thoughts...............

Wilbus · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2002, 07:57:41 AM »

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yeah, well, Oberleutnant Uberdonut was flying the FW99023 on a test flight, and he got jumped by 100 Mustangs. He firewalled the throttle and zoomed away from them. They shot at him, so he saw combat.

CMC Airboss · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2002, 01:47:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Andijg
NO

If it didn't fire a shot or drop a bomb against enemy forces it has no place in here IMO.

Time to remove AH's version of the C-47!

The F8F is still a great looking airplane.

MiG

TMASTadon · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2002, 02:21:05 PM »

It IS an awsome looking plane but now is not the time for it in AH. Maybe oneday HTC will give us a 1946 plane set update to play with in CT or somewhere but with so many other things that could add to MA play......

A question for the Aircraft historians....I seem to remember somewhere that the origins of the F8 came from when Gruman got a look at a captured FW and thought...."Ya know, this thing would be awsome with a Pratt&Whitney engine" Any truth there?

popeye · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2002, 02:28:08 PM »

INCOMING!!!

OnePunch · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2002, 03:03:24 PM »

The p-47M did see combat during W.W.2 and was the fastest piston engine airplane that saw combat on a regular basis:D

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Wilbus · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2002, 04:25:14 PM »

*Ducks down beside popeye*

Reschke · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2002, 05:51:52 PM »

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Originally posted by TMASTadon
A question for the Aircraft historians....I seem to remember somewhere that the origins of the F8 came from when Gruman got a look at a captured FW and thought...."Ya know, this thing would be awsome with a Pratt&Whitney engine" Any truth there?

I think you are correct but I would have to check a couple of sources I have in my books on planes. BTW where in Birmingham do you live? Check my location