Author Topic: goon ramming. etic and technic (Read 636 times)

Dinger · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2002, 05:04:43 PM »

Airing the Orchid's right: dive in below, and pull out in front of the enemy. Fly down the direction of flight of the target. If he doesn't move, he collides.
It is a ram, a "lag-ram".
I did it once intentionally and got a C47 vs. C47 A2A kill. He came back, and we had one of the better dogfights I've experienced.

It's extremely rare, and the conditions have to be perfect. 99.9% of the "rams" you hear about on channel one are not lag-rams.

Thrawn · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2002, 05:15:32 PM »

I've rammed a Lanc and a Niki with a goon before, to protect my drunks. Worked like a charm.

Hangtime · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2002, 05:18:44 PM »

I've rammed a buncha times. It's easy to play chicken in a virtual airplane. It's fine indeed to hear the immediate whines. I keep a nice fresh gouda in arms reach so that I might savor the whine more fully.

X2Lee · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2002, 07:44:33 PM »

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Originally posted by K West
"So I turn back and decide my only option is to ram him."

And some of you maroons (see past collision whines here and in the gameplay forum) actually want to change the current collision system to ensure mutual "death"?

Westy

Ya maroon, all I says before is a ram kills both pilots in the REAL world.
Yall harp about the game being real, well 2 planes collide they BOTH go down...
Dont take a maroon to figure that out. I think planes crashing into
the cvs outta do damage too. Guess Im a maroon again. we all know that wouldnt be a viable tactic

Viper17 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 21, 2002, 08:34:18 PM »

The Russians used it to down bombers. Think thel called it "Tarrin" or something.

Wotan · « **Reply #20 on:** June 21, 2002, 08:56:18 PM »

This is why no one can "ram you". What you see on your fe is what matters. The goon didnt see a colision you died you got the damage.

All those other threads where folks claim "they know how to ram" or know that folks purposely rammed them is nothing but bs.

If you collide on your fe its your fault just like killshooter.

J_A_B · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2002, 09:46:49 PM »

All those other threads where folks claim "they know how to ram" or know that folks purposely rammed them is nothing but bs.

Actually it isn't BS, although you're correct in that the FE that detects the collision is the person who gets killed from it. What you have to be able to do is guess the lag and put your plane where it hits them on their FE. Not easy by any means (far easier to just shoot em), but not impossible either. The worst part about it is, if done properly, you kill the other guy and get away scott free.

If you actually DO hit them, chances are he won't die because his FE won't see the collision.

Trying to use this offensively on purpose is gamey and pathetic. I wouldn't call it cheating per se, but it's not far removed.

J_A_B

Dinger · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2002, 10:20:15 PM »

J_A_B I concur. IT's a dumb tactic.
It works when people are asleep.
This is one of the few cases where informing the public helps prevent it. Air is big; planes are small.
I only recommend it if you're flying a C-47. Any other plane, if yourve wated your ammo and there's a C-47 nearby, you're an idiot, and you deserve to die. Period.

Fester' · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:24:03 AM »

I havent tried the net lag lead ram. The times Ive done it Ive simply flown through slower planes at enough speed to carry my plane through enough space to show on his FE.

Intentional Ramming was done in real life. Dont get your panties in a bunch.+

I dont see it as gaming the game, at least it wasnt the times I did it. I flew right up his 6 and we both died. That ws the intent and that was the outcome.

The ethics police in here crack me up, next you'll be telling me to put pants on when I fly

Shane · « **Reply #24 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:29:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
All those other threads where folks claim "they know how to ram" or know that folks purposely rammed them is nothing but bs.

not it's not... i was bingo ammo once in a spit, this other spit couldn't get me after some tnb he took off level ( i was on his 6 in the tnb saying "bang bang". i eventually got under him and then tried my damnedest to go up in front of him to see if i could get him to ram *me* - sure enough he did, actually it was mutual, he blew up and my tail came off.

so it *is* possible to game the collision code, but it's not easy, nor guarenteed that you'll get the other guy to ram *you* as opposed to misjudging and taking the collision oneself.

Wotan · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2002, 02:38:57 AM »

repeat it with film.

Every has some story as to "guessing lag" BS

bozon · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2002, 09:24:42 AM »

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Air is big; planes are small.

Dinger/CFIT,
are you an air traffic controller by any chance?

Bozon

SELECTOR · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2002, 09:47:07 AM »

make rams death for all parties concerned..its only fair..or turn it off completly..

J_A_B · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2002, 11:06:13 AM »

"Every has some story as to "guessing lag" BS"

If you think it's impossible to do on purpose, then why does it happen on accident? EVERY collision in AH involves lag to some extent; the only difference between an accidental collision and a deliberate one is intention.

J_A_B

Kevin14 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 22, 2002, 11:36:13 AM »

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Originally posted by rc51
There should be NO place for ramming on purpose!!!!!
That Is the most moronis crap Ive heard yet!
Learn to fly then learn to fight and stop trying to find the cowards way out of a mess!!!!:mad:

OMG, It would take bravery to ram someone, sacrifice your possible perk points to keep a base yours. Like how Bozon started out this thread he had no ammo left and wanted to kill a goon instead of letting it capture his base. Collisions should take an effect on both players, its not fair that the person with a faster computer gets the down side of the deal.