Author Topic: Titanium Ju88, or 37mm Field Gun porkage? (Read 686 times)

beet1e · « **on:** June 22, 2002, 06:39:04 AM »

I couldn't believe it! I landed not one, but TWO hits from the 37mm field gun on a Ju88. The first one got his left engine smoking, the second one hit the mid section of the opposite wing and should have blown it off, but no - the ju88 kept on flying. A few moments later, I fired at a C47 from about 1400 yards. A single hit took off the entire tail section, and it went down - kill credit awarded. I eventually got a kill credit for the ju88.

Can anyone comment on this? For most other planes, a single hit from the field gun is all it takes to cripple the thing.

I've got film of the above incident, but even .ZIPped up it's 140K, so I can't post it here. But if you want to see it, let me know and I'll email it.

SKurj · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2002, 08:02:54 AM »

I've hit IL2's 4 times to before they dropped
I'd think 2 hits should not guarantee a kill on a plane the size of a ju88.

Now If you had hit the tail or the cockpit the story would have been different.

The damage modelling in has had some concessions made for playability sakes, especially in the case of buffs. No matter what gun you are firing these concessions stand.

SKurj

Wilbus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2002, 08:05:09 AM »

All buffs take an increadible amount of 30mm and 37mm before they go down.

JB66 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2002, 10:00:33 AM »

I haven't had time to fly much this tour, but on occasion I'll log in and jump in a field gun. Most fighters can be taken out with a hit on the wing root. Sometimes it will take two or more, but usually one hit is all it takes.
The larger bombers almost always take two hits or more. The other day I hit a B-17 six times and he was still flying. I always try and hit the wings, they seem to be the most vunerable to field gun fire.
There is nothing like hitting a bomber at 15k or so and listening to him whine about the laser ack.

JB66

Nefarious · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:17:59 PM »

On Mindano, I took a B17 to a Northern Base. I was jumped by fighters 2 min to target. I was heavily damaged, and losing alt, by the time I was over target, I was well within ack range. I took over 15 37mm rounds. Greedz my gunner, was going crazy! We egressed off target we had HEAVY damage. Then we were shot down by fighters. I wish I had the film.

Mino · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:24:26 PM »

A little off topic, but pertaining to field guns.

Anyone find it a little strange that from the air you see no tracer flare or muzzle flash from a field gun?

Is this a bug or a feature?

SKurj · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:24:56 PM »

dunno if its either Mino, but its accepted that the manned acks leave no tracers

SKurj

SKurj · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:26:30 PM »

Oedipus... i am makin an assumption here, which I think most will agree.

how long do u think a ju88 would last otherwise? +)

SKurj

Booky · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:41:33 PM »

You think its wierd to see a JU88 take 2 37mm hits? What do ya think about a la7 takeing 3 37mm hits from a Osti? Now I have to admit that they were all to the fusulage just behind the pit but it didn't explode and continued its flight. I did however get credit for a kill so I must have either woulded the pilot of started a fire, not sure. But I was surely pissed that the la7 flew off with 3 37mm into it.

Other than that I have hit B17, B26 with up to 10 37mm from osti or field guns and they keep going. That is even with multiple wing hits.

I always just assumed it was lost dammage packets causing this, not the dammage model. If it is the dammage model, then I think they need to look into it along with that of the GV's.

Booky

MrLars · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:52:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Booky
You think its wierd to see a JU88 take 2 37mm hits? What do ya think about a la7 takeing 3 37mm hits from a Osti? Now I have to admit that they were all to the fusulage just behind the pit but it didn't explode and continued its flight. I did however get credit for a kill so I must have either woulded the pilot of started a fire, not sure. But I was surely pissed that the la7 flew off with 3 37mm into it.
Booky

Had to be a connect prob Booky, when I flew the La7 I never survived a single hit from an Osty. Granted, I didn't attack them much but my guess would be of over 20 encounters I never survived a hit from one.

SKurj · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2002, 06:06:03 PM »

I hit an la5 in the belly with a 40 mm (PT pos 6)this morning, he started smokin is about all. He flew for another 5-10mins before a plane finished him. He was the only one of about 10 kills I got that didn't die from 1 hit.

SKurj

Mitsu · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2002, 07:10:00 PM »

Gameplay.

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2002, 09:41:21 PM »

Yeah, there are durability concessions on bombers alright. Nice fat "make it easy to shoot them down" type of concessions that allow a Lanc's wing to be completely blown off by twelve 50 cal hits.

Bombers are are too fragile if anything.

SKurj · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2002, 12:48:37 AM »

Yeah, some parts of the buffs are too fragile, other parts too tough

SKurj

wulfie · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2002, 02:35:29 AM »

What makes you think this isn't realistic?

Look at the frequency - do we have people complaining of bombers taking 37mm hits every day and flying away unharmed?

*Frequency matters*.

Fw 190As have taken 37mm and 40mm AA (which is alot different from an aircraft mounted 37mm in terms of lethality) and returned home safely.

Ju 88s have taken some amazing damage as well, as have B-17s, B-26s, and any other fairly sturdily built aircraft - all have *on ocassaion* survived.

If it happened all the time, I could understand some cause for alarm.

But I've been flying 37mm (Yak) and 3cm (Bf 109, Ta 152) armed aircraft alot this TOD and I've seen bombers and fighters die to 1 hit from these bigger cannon almost every time. When I hit things with the 40mm of the PT boat they die really fast as a rule.

Don't get me wrong - I can understand why you were surprised.

But think it through a little - every round is going to have a damage range that is calculated when it impacts part of a target. There is going to be a very very small chance that a big cannon round is not going to totally destroy what it hits on a target as well as surrounding components. And given the number of 'checks' that are going to be performed for this with a MA that has 400 people flying in it - I'm surprised that it doesn't happen at least once a night.

It probably does happen at least once a night - you just mentioned it on the BBS whereas some others probably didn't.

The best way to put it is this - a Ju 88A-4 *could* survive 2 37mm AA hits and keep flying. It just isn't very likely. 'You rolled bad dice'.

Recreate it in the MA 10 times out of 50 tries and I'd be shocked.

Mike/wulfie