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Offline Obear1971

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« on: June 24, 2002, 02:36:19 PM »


Germany's Focke-Wulf 61 was one of the first successful helicopters. It used two rotors which rotated in opposite directions to offset rotor torque.



With a modified nose section, the XR-1A made its first flights in late 1943. One other airframe was produced for testing of improvements of the controls but did not fly. The XR-1 is in storage at the NASM, while the XR-1A was sold to Frank Piasecki and accidentally scrapped.



North American Aviation proposed the P-82 design as the joining of two P-51 fuselages with a new wing center section. The Air Force ordered 500 as P-82Bs, but only 20 were completed before the decision was made to also make a night fighter version. The resulting models mounted a large radar pod underneath the center wing section, with the starboard cockpit modified for the radar operator

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2002, 02:44:41 PM »
My, that last one looks like it would be awkward to fly...

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2002, 02:48:04 PM »
yeh guy in the left cockpit turn right guy in right cockpit turns left and voila!!!!  you now have 2 planes :)

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2002, 03:02:27 PM »
bah.  The US had one of those in 1922:
 




We need something more modern and actually used in numbers during WWII




More info here:

http://www-acala1.ria.army.mil/lc/cs/csa/aahist.htm#WWII


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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2002, 04:54:02 PM »
The P-82 had one bad attribute....

When rolling the aircraft, both pilot and navigator/radar op (whatever he was called) would experience bad G forces since the axis of rotation is around the centerline......

Other than that, it was one fast mofo........

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2002, 04:59:25 PM »
Oh, and just so we know...as for the numbers of P-82 produced...

The following is off BOEING's site......



Once the standard long-range, high-altitude escort fighter for the U.S. Air Force, the North American P-82 Twin Mustang was the climactic development of a long series of the famous World War II P-51 Mustang series.

North American produced 250 of the double-fuselaged airplanes for the Air Force, embracing three versions of the Twin Mustang then in service, the P-82E, P-82F, and P-82G. They were ordered too late for World War II, however.

The versatility of the P-82 made it potentially adaptable to a wide variety of roles in modern aerial warfare. It could have been used as a fighter, a long-range escort, long-range reconnaissance, night fighter, attack bomber, rocket fighter or an interceptor.

With a speed of more than 475 miles an hour, the Twin Mustang had a combat range of over 1,600 miles with full armament. Range could be extended by use of external drop tanks on the wings.

A radical departure from the conventional single-fuselage airplane, the Twin Mustang was formed by two fuselages joined by the wing and the horizontal stabilizer. With a pilot in each fuselage, it reduced to a minimum the problem of pilot fatigue on ultra-long-range missions. The P-82F and G models carried a radar operator in the right cockpit instead of a co-pilot.

Both engine throttles and both propellers were controllable from either cockpit by manually operated levers. The pilot's cockpit on the left contained the normal flight and engine instruments, while the co-pilot on the right had sufficient instruments for relief and emergency operation.

A simplified cockpit arrangement improved pilot comfort, including a tilting, adjustable seat to reduce fatigue during long flights.






And the P-82 specs are:



SPEED:   475 miles per hour
 
SERVICE CEILING:   42,200 feet

RANGE:   1,600 miles
 
POWER PLANT: Two Allison 12-cylinder V-1710-G6 engines

ARMAMENT: Six .50 caliber machine guns standard
Eight additional .50 caliber machine guns in special center section nacelle.  Five rocket launching racks carrying five rockets each.

Other alternate payload: 7,200 pounds of bombs, photographic nacelle, or 2,000-pound torpedo.  

NUMBER BUILT: 272

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2002, 06:06:45 PM »
The problem with that P-82 was the pilot was on the left side and the co-pilot on the right.  When the pilot did a roll he did it along  his axis of rotation.  The poor co-pilot got ripped around the outside of the loop like a rollercoaster ride.

This concept did not last to long.......  :p

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2002, 06:46:55 PM »
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Originally posted by Otto
The problem with that P-82 was the pilot was on the left side and the co-pilot on the right.  When the pilot did a roll he did it along  his axis of rotation.  The poor co-pilot got ripped around the outside of the loop like a rollercoaster ride.

This concept did not last to long.......  :p


Huh? Neither pilot was on the axis of rotation. Moreover, the F-82 was much loved by those who flew it.

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2002, 07:13:31 PM »
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...A simplified cockpit arrangement improved pilot comfort, including a tilting, adjustable seat to reduce fatigue during long flights...


LOL, where's the bigscreen?

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2002, 08:54:21 PM »
the p82 doesnt really "fit in" with the rest of the planes in AH...it was built to get rid of pilot fatigue. how many of you get tired after each sortie?

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2002, 09:21:09 PM »
" Neither pilot was on the axis of rotation"

Really?   Think about it for a second.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2002, 09:33:02 PM »
It doesn't even take a second Otto.  The axis of rotation has nothing to do with where the pilot sits and everything to do with the aerodynamics and center of gravity of the combined plane.

In this case, the longitudinal axis of rotation would be about the middle of the middle wing between the pilots, so that as referenced above, both pilots would feel a G force pushing them towards their respective wingtips, assuming you could  generate enough of a roll rate.  However, with so much mass away from the center of roll, I doubt that the rate would be high enough to really cause a problem.

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2002, 10:06:46 PM »
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Originally posted by Otto
" Neither pilot was on the axis of rotation"

Really?   Think about it for a second.


the AC rolled on its axis, which is the center between the two fuselages.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2002, 10:15:37 PM »
I defer to the 'experts'  :)

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2002, 11:20:54 PM »
This is a baby: