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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2002, 02:20:18 PM »
Suave yer a libertarian
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2002, 02:25:10 PM »
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Suave yer a libertarian


LOL!

He's no more a Libertarian than he is a Librarian.

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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2002, 02:28:35 PM »
Rip, you know that's not true.  Libs are for welfare, protecting the environment, etc.  Most of their beliefs are about helping their fellow man (tho not in terms of national defense until recently...)  Conservatives are the ones that are ME, ME, ME.  Stay outta our hair gov't.  lower taxes for the rich while you're at it.  privatize social security, after all, it's MY money why should it fund someone else's benefits now?   ;)
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2002, 02:31:17 PM »
Nifty, think "I am a victim!"...;)

Bettter yet, Democrats like to reach up the ladder and pull those at the top downward, 'Publican's want to reach down and pull you up to their level. ;)

Guess it depends how much your college professors brain washed you! ;)
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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2002, 02:34:07 PM »
LOL!  those are just the Hollywood libs I thought!  ;)
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2002, 03:10:48 PM »
ME ME ME ME ME! (lets take a look at this shall we?)

The Environment:

Conservatives - Use as much as you want, as long as it is profitable. Animals are there for our use only. If I wanna drive my gas guzzling SUV in Yo-freakin-semite I  will, because my taxes support those dang trees!!

Liberals - The environment is a precious resource that needs to be protected so that all may benefit from it. Our future existence depends on our stewardship of the Earth.

Evolution vs Creation:

Conservative - I refuse to believe anything that requires more than 2 years of advanced education to understand. Anyway I saw this cartoon about Adam and Eve once and so it must be true.

Liberal - I will look at both sides of the issue and make the most informed decision I can. Whichever way I lean will depend more on educational insight than fairy tale stories.

Death Penalty:

Conservative - Fry the bastards!!

Liberal - Lets make sure the bastards are guilty huh?

Education:

Conservatives - Everyone should have a good education, especially my kids! In fact I want my kids to be educated in a private school, and I want the government to pay for it!

Liberals - Public education is our most important mandate. We should do all we can to make sure it is the best possible education our kids could receive.

Drugs:

Conservatives - Fry the bastards!

Liberals - Lets teach the bastards how not to get fried!

I think it's clear who the self centered group is Rip, and it ain't the Libs.

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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2002, 03:43:27 PM »
WTG Tah Gut!  

Game, set, match.

Next please? :)

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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2002, 04:20:18 PM »
Conservative:  Why leave that poor kid stuck in the ghetto when the same money could be spent sending him to a private school?

Liberal:  Yes, I send my child to a private school, but you cannot allow the kid from the ghetto attend one because that would take money away from public schools.



Conservative:  That guy has killed 35 people, there is no reason to keep him in the midst of society.

Liberal:  The 35th murder was circumstantial, you're killing an innocent man!



Conservative:  Allow gas shortages and the resulting market price to dictate conservation and alternative fuels.

Liberal:  How dare you burn so much gas!  How dare you increase gas prices!




Drugs are a lost cause on either side, but to legalize them and talk people into not using them is probably not the most solid stance.

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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2002, 06:56:31 PM »
Animal rights- I'm assuming this means animals other than human.

Word for the day, anthropomorphize . It is not possible for one to exercise an Idea that is beyond his capacity to comprehend "hey dog why are you eating toejam, don't you know that you have rights" . Therefore with the exeption of homo sapiens animals can not have rights, it is after all an entirely human concept . Animal rights activist are irrational ie. it's ok to eat tuna but not dolphins, and at some level I believe antisocial . I say antisocial because they are more fervent in their efforts to defend animals from humans than they are to defend humans from humans, or humans from animals . This leads me to believe that maybe they don't like people so much, in otherwords antisocial . I enjoy the company of animals, I grew up around them and I've had many different types of pets big and small . I believe there is a need for laws to prevent animal cruelty as long as they recognize homo sapiens place in the food chain . And respect the animals that are higher than him on this chain . By this I mean if you hit elephants with sticks, don't be surprised when the elephant hits back . Don't ask that the bear/shark be destroyed for attacking you when you were frollicking in his pantry .

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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2002, 07:11:43 PM »
ROFL Tah Gut!

Ye fergot one :)

Abortion:

Liberal - Fry the (lil) bastards!!

Conservative - Lets make sure they aren't people huh?
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« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2002, 08:03:09 PM »
Funked made a funny!

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« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2002, 09:12:52 PM »
The Environment

Conservatives - The world has been here for billions of years, it will be here for billions more.  Humans need to be responsible but not have this huge guilt complex that everything they do is killing Mother Earth. Let's weigh the benefits of a developed society that we all benefit from against the costs, in a calm manner.

Liberals - Humans bad, humans bad!  The sky is falling!  Or at least the ozone layer is.  Volcano eruptions have no impact on global warming, but your SUV is gonna make us fry!  You must stop your evil ways and do what we tell you, because we know best.  But don't look at the evidence, just take our word for it.

Evolution vs Creation

Conservative - I refuse to believe anything that requires more than 2 years of advanced education to understand. Anyway I saw this cartoon about Adam and Eve once and so it must be true.

Liberal - Anything that doesn't have evidence must, by definition, be a fairy tale.  Unless it's global warming.  That's real fer sure.

Death Penalty

Conservative - 99% of people are good and decent and contribute to society.  Then there are those that are just plain evil, and have forfeited their right to life by the heinous decisions they have freely made.

Liberal - Lets make sure the bastards are guilty huh?  And even if they are, let's give them a few chances.  So what if they kill again, they could change their ways, right?  Most killers are victims of a bad childhood, so it's not really their fault anyway.

Education

Conservatives - Everyone should have a good education,  but a lot of what determines a good education starts at home with caring parents and a stable environment.  We can't expect the schools to be our kid's babysitters.  That's why we take responsibility for raising our kids properly.

Liberals - It takes a village to raise my kid.  I have to work so we can have a big house, 2 cars, cable TV, and a maid.  That's the American dream after all.  Look at those old-fashioned suckers that are on a one-parent income because they actually believe that having a parent stay home to raise their kids matters!  Guffaw!  If the schools can't raise my kids properly, I'll sue damn it.  If they hold my kid back because he can't read, I'll sue damn it. It sure as hell ain't my fault.

Drugs

Conservatives - Fry the bastards!

Liberals - Ooh there's cigarrette smoke within 1 mile of my vicinity.  Fry the bastards!

Abortion

Conservative - It's one second after conception.  Touch it and you fry!

Liberal - It's one second before birth.  Fry the baby, er, I mean bastard!
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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2002, 09:17:03 PM »
Samm,

I've take the liberty of translating your post from English to Chinese...and then back to English.  I hope this gives some insight into your political leanings.

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Gun control - opposition (although I are do not have gun fetishist, eww)

aborts - approval choice

Isrealipalistiniancrap - Arafat should be in the jail and the surplus his terrorist friend.

Capital punishment - opposition

religion - I think it are brainwashing, my irreligious

flag burns - does not do ammend constition, the people should be free fever this flags if they wish, does not begin any forest-fire.

The support motion - opposition, nobody should employ or is dismissed according to they " race ". That is in the matter border the racism.

Thats I can think the now all hot topics. [/B]



I hope this has helped.
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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2002, 09:43:10 PM »
Liberal and Conservative are fairly general terms and few people fall squarely into one camp or the other.  It is also important to note that there are at least two major categories dividing the liberal and conservative communities.  These are fiscal issues and social issues.  Many people that are fiscal conservatives, such as many northern Republicans, support conservative initiatives such as lower taxes, less regulation etc., but are pro-choice, pro gun control etc.  The flip side of that is that many people that are very socially conservative are actually rather liberal on fiscal issues.  The classic example of this is many Southern farmers that are for government subsidies in agriculture, which runs contrary to conservative doctrine, yet they are extremely conservative on all social issues.  

Thus you can see that both parties are made up of people from all points on the spectrum.  Most people have a few issues that are really important to them, and they vote based on the parties or the candidates stance on those issues.  

Another important point is that many people, if not most people are rather moderate, and have a mix of opinions, or they have not so strongly held opinions on certain issues.  This is the reason that elections are so unpredictable.  If everybody were easily quantifiable as either a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat, then we would easily know who would win elections based on a poll of how many there were of each.

The truth of the matter is that there is probably roughly 15% of the US population that is solidly in the conservative camp and a like number solidly in the liberal camp.  The remaining 70 odd percent of the people are somewhere in between.  I suspect that the solidly conservative camp may actually be a little stronger and more influential in general since they are more united on most issues.  The people that are in this segment of the population tend to be more or less in agreement and strongly in support of certain solutions.  The dedicated liberals however, are somewhat more fractured since they may believe really strongly in one liberal cause and not in another.  

For example,  to use some popular stereotypes of people found in each of these ends of the political spectrum, you can pretty safely predict that a Southern Baptist from Tennesee that is extremely conservative is going to be anti-abortion, anti-gun control, and pro-religion.  However, if you find a classic liberal San Francisco hippie that is strongly for the legalization of marijuana, and against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, his other views are not as easily predicted.  He may actually not care much about school prayer or some other issue.  This is the basis for much bickering in the Democratic party, since there are many strange bedfellows located therein, some of which have very much conflicting viewpoints.  The Republican party, other than being divided between the fiscal and social conservatives somewhat, doesnt face this problem to the same degree.

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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2002, 09:51:23 PM »
Personally, I am extremely conservative, although I may not fit the mold of the popular stereotype of one (few people of either party fit such stereotypes).  

I grew up on a farm in the deep South state of Lousiana in a very religious Army family.  Most of my family was Democratic in name, although they voted Republican exclusively at the national level.  As might be expected, I had a very conservative upbringing, and growing up, I didnt know anybody that could even be described as even being remotely liberal in any respect on social issues, although most farmers are not extremely conservative fiscally, favoring as they do such things as protectionism and government subsidies.

I went to college at the very conservative Lousiana Tech University and joined the USAF upon graduation.  In college I first encountered a few people that were somewhat liberal.  In the AF I am still surrounded mostly by conservatives like myself.  

I went through a thorough evaluation of my beliefs when I was about 16-18 years old.  I wanted to be sure that I really believed all the things that I had been taught and not just because I grew up that way.  I became interested in why other people thought and believed the way that they do, and to this day I love talking to and debating with people that have differing viewpoints.  

I have strongly held opinions on most issues.  However, I think that I have a somewhat unique ability to understand where the other side is coming from in almost all cases.  I dont hate or even dislike people that have differing viewpoints, and I strive to understand them.  That is my definition of tolerance.  However, tolerance to me doesnt extend to condoning or accepting behavior that I find wrong.  This is what I feel makes me different from most conservatives and liberals in general, the fact that I can see both arguments and understand the gray areas.

My opinions on some of the subjects that have been addressed here:

Gun control-- Vehemently against,  I believe that everybody has a basic right to self defense, and that is what the 2d Amendment is protecting.  I am not in principle opposed to some reasonable regulation of firearms (although many so-called reasonable measures that have surfaced of late are highly unreasonable to me) but I have little faith that the forces that propose these measures will stop if they are achieved, having as they do the end objective of banning all firearms.  I believe that most of the people that support gun control are misguided but that they mean well.  I certainly dont think that most gun controls are proposed out of some kind of desire to "take over the country" or anything like that.  I think the people that support them are for the most part honestly trying to make the world safer.  I think that they are naive to believe that gun control can work though, and while I respect their view I must strongly disagree.

Abortion-- This and gun control are the two issues that I am very strongly against.  This is the one issue where I have extreme difficulty understanding or relating to the other side.  This one is cut and dried to me.  I think that the pro-choice people should understand that since we pro-lifers believe that abortion is murder, that there is no room for compromise on this issue ever.  This is one of the worst political issues in the modern world for that reason and I dont even like talking about it much.

Animal rights-- They dont have any.   I do feel that humans have an obligation to treat animals in a decent fashion and to not abuse them, but I dont believe that animals have any sort of inherant rights at all.

Environment-- As an avid outdoorsman, I would hate to see the world polluted and ruined, not do I think that any reasonable person does.  I am for reasonable precautions to take care of the environment, but I think that most environmental groups are too political and actually exist to advance liberal anti-business agendas.  I would never support any type of ruination of say, Yellowstone Natl. Park, but I am against groups that seem bent on stopping all progress everywhere.  We need some reserves set aside untouched for the enjoyment of all, but the fact remains that we need oil, timber, and other resources.  We cannot make the whole USA one giant preserve where no commercial resource gathering goes on.  I am also against any type of government regulations that would seek to tell us what kind of cars we have to drive or anything like that.  I think that many of the environmentalists use scare tactics to overstate their case about the dangers of global warming and the like.  The "sky is falling" approach is more used by these guys than anybody although to be fair many conservative organizations employ these sort of scare tactics as well.  I personally abhor this type of technique.

Government in general--  I believe that government should be handled at the lowest possible level.  That means states should handle most things with the national govt.  mainly taking care of defense and other things that cannot be handled at the local level.  I think the current way things are set up is a nice balance in general.  I support most privatization initiatives and have more confidence in the competence of private industry in general over the government at handling most affairs.  I support some very basic level of welfare programs, but think they should be strictly limited.  The nice thing about handling things at the local level is that if liberals in California want to have strict gun control and whatever else they want, they can do so just as long as they dont try to impose their views on the nation at large.  As a matter of principle, I generally am against my own conservative fellows imposing their will on the people from liberal places.  People should have the freedom to choose how to live their lives with minimum interference from government.  I detest socialism in all its forms.  It sounds nice on paper to some perhaps, but it works cross grain against human nature.  It rewards the lazy and punishes the hard working.  

Religion-- I am a devout Christian, but I believe that God put us on this earth with free moral agency, or in other words the ability and freedom to choose.  An all powerful God could force everybody to believe in Him if He so chose, but he obviously doesnt. So who am I to try to force others to believe in Him  or follow Him if they choose not to.  I respect all peoples rights to live according to their conscience whether they believe in God, multiple gods, or no god at all.  That said, I dont believe that freedom of religion equates to freedom from religion.  Religion is an integral part of my life and a key part of my personality.  It is impossible to separate my beliefs from my conduct and if I were running for public office there are areas where that would show.  I would never force others to believe in my personal convictions, but I certainly expect them to respect my beliefs as well.  I dont believe that the separation of church and state was ever meant to exclude religion from public life and politics.  It was meant to prevent people from being forced to worship a certain way, and to prevent a state religion from being set up.  If there were a law out there that said that you had to be a Lutheran to vote, or that all non Christians had to pay more taxes or something, this would clearly be a violation of the separation of church and state.  Having a Christmas nativity scene on display on a courthouse grounds does not violate this principle.    

Death penalty-- Make sure they are guilty then fry'em.  I completely understand the opponants of the death penalty and I have thought much about this one, and I believe that the benefits outweigh the dangers.  We know that if we give police guns, they are going to on rare occasions shoot the wrong person.  The solution to this isnt to take guns away from police, since this would lead to an increase in the deaths of innocent people overall due to a rise in crime, since police would be unable to protect people from criminals.  Likewise, abolishing the death penalty to save the extremely rare innocent person that might be executed, will cost many many more lives overall.  The death penalty should be applied judiciously and only after we are 100% certain that the person is guilty, but there are cases that do warrant it.

Pledge of Allegience--  This one is trickier than I first thought.  My first reaction when I heard about this decision was a kneejerk "what were those kooks thinking?"  I thought about it all day today and I have concluded that my first reaction was right, although I can certainly see the other side of the argument.  I believe in the pledge of allegience wholeheartedly the way it currently stands.  I think that the great majority of people like it the way it is, and polls show this.  I dont think that the majority should force the minority to do some things but the majority is the majority after all, and the minority shouldnt be able to impose their will on the minority either.  We arent forcing the people that dont believe in God to do so, we are simply stating the pledge the way we believe in it.  Anybody that doesnt agree could a.) not say the pledge, or b.) say the pledge while not saying the "under God" phrase.  The atheists and those that believe in multiple gods or whatever, arent being forced to change their beliefs because of this.  I disagree with the notion that this amounts to state sponsored religion.   I believe that this whole situation is a needlessly divisive issue that should never have been brought to court at all.  This decision will never stand, if the Appeals court does not reverse themselves on their own from the pressure, then the Supreme Court will certainly do it for them.