Author Topic: Should the Dewoitine D 520 have a place in AH? (Read 1601 times)

Soviet · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:22:02 PM »

i'd rather see some planes of actual use instead of these hanger queens.

Some Russian or Japanese Iron for example.

How about improving some things? Like Correct loadouts for the 190F8?

How about giving the Germans a decent Buff? He-177 would fit that role.

People say it's not about "countries" because everyone has acces to the same plane. Not true, I don't like to fly anything non-German.

There are many late war and mid war planes that should be added before some hanger queens that will rarly be used in the MA.

Just my $0.02

Sikboy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:26:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Soviet

People say it's not about "countries" because everyone has acces to the same plane. Not true

So where does that leave the French?

-Sikboy

J_A_B · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:31:52 PM »

I'm guessing Soviet would rather see a French-marked P-63 than a D.520

J_A_B

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #18 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:32:29 PM »

Pffftttt that's one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard Soviet.
-SW

cajun · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2002, 01:30:16 PM »

Hmmmm, if its an early war plane, and saw combat, Add it!

also would like to see:
"Brewster Buffalo",
B-25,
I-16,
"109T"
hs-123,
I-153,
Ba.65,
Early war italian bomber (for a malta scenario),
Gloster Gladiator,
CR42,
Swordfish.

And anymore early war planes that could help balance em!
Gloster Gladiator, CR42 & an early war italian bomber are on top of my list

BenDover · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:09:40 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Concerning the D520/MS406 it won't work in the MA (to many late war wonder ...
but it can be used in scenarii

slaps straffo over the head and points him to a hurricane

Soviet · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:21:58 PM »

what i meant is The Germans need some stuff fixed "Like the damn 190F8 ARMORMENT!!!!!"

and also, i'm sick of these early war hanger queens. I want some nice mid-late war planes. Like the Tu-2S, He-177, Me-410, Il-2M3 with 2 37mm cannons. Yak-3 and Yak-3 with VK-107A engine.

I love scenarios as much as anyone but these planes really don't have much of a place in the MA. The only way Early war planes would get usage would be a rolling plane set. I'd say have it set so the time of the war changes every 20 hours.

A lot of things need fixing however, like new art for some planes (P-51, and B-17 are in need of a face lift and it would be nice for some new 190 and 109 art too). Bugs need to be corrected (like for instance if you select 2 250kg bombsi n the bf110g2 you get 2 500kg bombs)

New weapons need to be added like Mk-103 pods for the 190a8 (And yes they were used a fair amount don't start that they weren't used much) R4M rockets would be nice too. Panzerblitz rockets for the 190f8 (HT? Pyro? are you awake on this this has been requested for tours upon tours)

I have to say that a lot needs fixing before they start adding new stuff.

But to start work on EARLY war planes would be a waste of resources IMO

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:39:22 PM »

Waste of resources for YOU. Not for ME. Not for anyone ELSE who wants to fly early war planes despite the arena being overrun by a large percentage of late war uber rides.

And the majority of things you want "fixed" appear to be German... so it's easy to see you're biased... nothing wrong with that, everyone wants their own stuff... but I want to see it all, there's time for more weapons and fixing art later down the road.
-SW

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:55:20 PM »

Sorry but i gotto hijack

hands up

robsan · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:58:01 PM »

yes, I'd like to see the Dewoitine D 520

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2002, 02:59:14 PM »

Nein ?

Soviet · « **Reply #26 on:** June 28, 2002, 05:49:18 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Waste of resources for YOU. Not for ME. Not for anyone ELSE who wants to fly early war planes despite the arena being overrun by a large percentage of late war uber rides.

And the majority of things you want "fixed" appear to be German... so it's easy to see you're biased... nothing wrong with that, everyone wants their own stuff... but I want to see it all, there's time for more weapons and fixing art later down the road.
-SW

I'm biased now eh?

I don't know what other planes have wrong with them cause i don't really fly other planes other than German Iron. I'm sure there's people who fly British Iron only as well as other countries so can we knock off the LW hate for one minute here?

It is important that things are FIXED first before adding anything. The art, I agree can come later but fixes on some things are needed.

Loadouts can wait eh? How would you feel if the P47 was missing rockets? Or whatever you like to fly was missing a vital armorment? huh? I'm sure you'd want it too. People have been asking for the 190F8s correct armorments now for months and we haven't even gotten any word from Hitech or pyro or anyone of the sort.

Karnak · « **Reply #27 on:** June 28, 2002, 06:36:30 PM »

Soviet,

The Yak-3 with the VK107 engine only flew as a prototype during WWII. It didn't enter service in time to serve in WWII.

The single biggest non-hanger queen left to be added is the Ki-84. The Ki-84 would be in the top ten as far as usage goes, maybe even the top three. I can't think of any other aircraft left to be added that will place in the top ten. Do you want the Ki-84, Soviet?

Soviet · « **Reply #28 on:** June 28, 2002, 07:09:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Soviet,

The Yak-3 with the VK107 engine only flew as a prototype during WWII. It didn't enter service in time to serve in WWII.

The single biggest non-hanger queen left to be added is the Ki-84. The Ki-84 would be in the top ten as far as usage goes, maybe even the top three. I can't think of any other aircraft left to be added that will place in the top ten. Do you want the Ki-84, Soviet?

Yes, useful added to this game would be good. How is the Ki-84 in terms of performance? What i'm most interested in is deck speed and max speed at alt.

I may be Russian in ancestry but i really don't as much on Russian planes as I do german (German planes just always interested me more) Ok don't add the Yak-3 with a VK-107A engine but DO add a regular Yak-3. It's basicially a slower, better climbing, better turning yak-9u. It would be nice to have

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** June 28, 2002, 07:26:19 PM »

Soviet,

I agree about adding the Yak-3 with the VK105 engine. It would make a good addition. The Tu-2S would also be a nice addition.

As to the Ki-84's performance, well, it really depends on which data they use. The typical data that is used in sims gives the Ki-84 a deck speed of about 345mph and a top speed of 392mph at about 20,000ft.

However, there is a lot of debate about that being correct. I have seen many posts here that claim those numbers were obtained by a proto type Ki-84 that didn't have an engine as powerful as the main production models.

In US tests, with much higher octane fuel than the Japanese had, the Ki-84 was faster than the P-51 at all altitudes up to 20,000ft. It peaked at 422mph in US tests.

HTC modeled the N1K2 with the low octane Japanese fuel so I would expect the Ki-84 to be the same. It might slightly exceed 400mph at its best altitude, or it might hit the 392mph spot on.