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Offline superpug1

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Should the Dewoitine D 520 have a place in AH?
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2002, 09:32:58 PM »
no we need the bloch
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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2002, 02:03:27 AM »
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And if the He177 gets added, I will be immediately launching a campaign to get a "reliability factor" built into planes to mimic the effects of real unreliability problems.


The A-5 variant didn't have as many problems as the other variants of the He-177.  Sure it wasn't the most reliable plane but by the A-5 variant some of the major bugs (frequent engine fires being most of them) were rolled out or minimized to a standard where it was acceptable to be flown.

Some people have the image that the HE-177 would just have it's engines ignite when flying all the time.  This may have happend during the test stages and early variants but the A-5 variants fixed it, it may have occured a bit still butt it was down to a reasonable level where it wasn't happening that often.

I don't think there should be a reliability factor built in, you'd have to do it to all the other planes in the game to make it fair.  and even then i don't like the randomness of it, in WW2 if you had a very well kept and maintain plane it wouldn't malfunction that much but if it's very poorly maintained it's going to let you down a lot.

For example the early war russian planes were often below par quality for that aircraft due to poor production standards.

Bottom line is the He-177 should be added but don't slap on some random reliability issues for taking it off when other planes never malfunction
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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2002, 02:07:24 AM »
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Continually demanding "better" planes in that manner is generally a mark of a very poor pilot, and certainly an immature one, IMO.  Learn to fly; learn to fight; there isnt any WW2 plane which can make up for a deficiency in basic piloting and combat skills.


Well i don't want "better" planes but i want planes that at least could survive the main arena environment to a decent level.  the Me-410, He-177 (the Ju-88 is a POS and the AR234 is a perk buff and really isn't too much of a "bomer" IMO).  The He-177 NEEDS to be added, it has a good defensive armorment (Which is VERY important in the MA enviornment) and is a good buff.

I'm all for Early War planes but add some MA type planes in too :)

I repeat this too, WE NEED THE CORRECT LOADOUT FOR THE 190F8 that's what is needed the most now IMO.
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2002, 03:23:22 AM »
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slaps straffo over the head and points him to a hurricane


slap back ... ;)

It's brit and ugly ;)
« Last Edit: July 01, 2002, 08:23:19 AM by straffo »
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2002, 03:25:26 AM »
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Soviet,

The Yak-3 with the VK107 engine only flew as a prototype during WWII.  It didn't enter service in time to serve in WWII.

The single biggest non-hanger queen left to be added is the Ki-84.  The Ki-84 would be in the top ten as far as usage goes, maybe even the top three.  I can't think of any other aircraft left to be added that will place in the top ten.  Do you want the Ki-84, Soviet?


Are you sure ?
I've read that the Normandie-Nieman used some Yak3 with VK107 ... with far from reliables engines ..
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2002, 08:13:05 AM »
Thanks Chanter :) Was just tweaking some noses.

 I would love to see the D520 in AH.  

Westy
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2002, 08:20:44 AM »
Yak-9B would be intresting russian jabo. Plane got four 100kg (220lb) bombs at internal bomb bay (behind cockpit). Note tail wheel is still out... russian plane quality :D:rolleyes:
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Offline Kevin14

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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2002, 09:39:22 AM »
Yep, read something in a book about those four (or six?) bombs tubes in the Yak, I wish they would add them to the game.
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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2002, 10:36:17 AM »
Yes- you are biased Soviet.

Would I care if the P47 didn't have rockets? Well, no.. but since it carries 8 of 'em opposed to 2 of 'em... then I think it makes a lil more sense with the P47 than the 190F8.

What's needed MOST are new planes.
-SW
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2002, 11:50:09 AM »
Yak-9B cutaway, showing those four 100kg bombs and the pilot...
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2002, 11:52:39 AM »
Performance/data chart of Yak 9 series...
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2002, 01:00:28 PM »
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slap back ... ;)

It's brit and ugly ;)


so's this pistol....





and, ermm, ain't you french?:p
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2002, 02:12:17 PM »
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Performance/data chart of Yak 9 series...


Is that 45mm testing? :eek:
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2002, 03:07:51 PM »
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Is that 45mm testing? :eek:

Nope, chart shows that Yak-9K got 45mm NS-45 cannon (15 rounds carried) and 12,7mm mg. TK and UT variants could be fitted with 20, 37 or 45mm cannons. Only minor modifications was neened to attachment points and ammunition supply. NS-45s recoil caused many troubles, only single shot could be fired at near top speed without seriously affecting aircraft handling. Huge recoil stressed the airframe (40% greater than 37mm NS-37 recoil) wich often caused cracks/leakages to oil and water pipes. NS-45 cannon was also tested at Il-2 and Yak-3 protos. Yak-9K saw limited service during 1943...
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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2002, 03:58:01 PM »
Check out this page...

(new to me anyway. I found it very interesting though)

http://www.geocities.com/tgenth/fotoww2e_2.html#p3
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