Baby Bombers

[Tac]

hehe fishu, they still havent found out why all the sudden hollywood flooded the market with glorious, righteous war films

and then bush gets his colon wiggled. Oh yeah baby, something big's gonna happen

[N1kPaz]

too bad he will grow up in a society full of lunatics who glamorize the suicide and homicide perpetrated by their young folk.

   

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Zapkin - unfortunately almost everyone on the planet grows up in that sort of society.

Interesting that both Eagler & Braz mention Cowboys & Indians as an acceptable conflict for kids to play at. It seems a lot like the Palastine/Israel thing in a way: newer immigrants with better military technology go in for wholesale eviction, killing & ghettoization of the older occupants for their land. Very noble, dashing, courageous and super.

[Braz]

Extremely noble,

Compared to criminals killing women and children civilians. Mobsters like these only want personal power. They won't listen to Arafat or any other leader because they don't want peace. They only hold power as long as there's conflict. That selfishness has gripped the pallys in poverty, and won't let go.

I choose to support the side that doesn't dress up their children as murdering criminals. Islamic fundimentalists are ruining that faith's reputation around the civilized world. Like Pol Pot and other self-centered despots, these murderers don't care about their people. They export death in the name of Islam.

Peaceful clerics need to risk their lives and speak out against these criminals. Every bomb blows more distance between Islam and the civilized, productive people of other faiths.

[NUKE]

read the story, the pic was found in a Palestian home. The parents said they dressed the baby up as a joke, and that's all fake equipment.

However, it shows the mentalitiy of some of those Palestians.

And they wonder why they dont have the world's sympathy. They teach their kids to hate and kill, so what do you expect ?

Nuke

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Hmm so lemme get this straight the suicide bombers are blowing up themselves & whoever else is nearby for personal power? They only hold power as long as there's conflict?
Funny way of increasing your personal power or holding on to it... still maybe you're right. Personally I have no idea what drives people to do this stuff. Peer pressure I suspect plays a large part.
As to the side which doesn't dress their kids up as murdering criminals - well in my opinion both sides are guilty of murder in Israel. And I have no doubt Israeli kids dress up as IDF soldiers (AFAIK most of them have to dress up as IDF soldiers for real at 18). I choose to support neither side.
But my point is that this is not newsworthy. The kid is not a suicide bomber. He's dressed like one. It's pretend. Why's he dressed like a suicide bomber? Because he was born in Palastine and his dad's in Hamas, according to reports I've heard. If it was the US he'd be a Cowboy or an Indian. BTW are the kids that dress up as Cowboys and Indians still OK? The only way this is ever going to be newsworthy is if it turns out to be an Israeli staged fake. I doubt it is fake. Mostly because that is such an obvious assumption - the kid even has fair hair and blue/green eyes - that the Israelis wouldn't dare try to pass it off as genuine if it weren't.

[Nashwan]

However, it shows the mentalitiy of some of those Palestians.

And they wonder why they dont have the world's sympathy. They teach their kids to hate and kill, so what do you expect ?

"kill as many Arabs as possible."

"For me, kill at least 10"

"Ignore the laws and spray them."

Extracts from letters sent by settler children to the IDF during operation Defensive Shield.

A settler's spokeswoman, Emunah Elon, who is also an adviser (on womens rights) to the Israeli government, refused to condemn the letters from the children, and described them as "healthy hatred" for the Arabs.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=180995&contrassID==2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=180995

(It's a mainstream Israeli newspaper, not an Arab propoganda source)

Both sides teach their children to hate.

[~Caligula~]

It's a mainstream Israeli newspaper, not an Arab propoganda source

That only shows the difference between the two sides.
I`m yet to see any arab-palestinian website where they say bad things about themselves.

My oppinion: diddly `em.But that doesn`t mean that`s what`s the IDF is gonna do.I don`t make the decisions.The punk who pushes the button on he`s or her explosive belt however makes that final decision.

[Nashwan]

Compared to criminals killing women and children civilians. Mobsters like these only want personal power. They won't listen to Arafat or any other leader because they don't want peace. They only hold power as long as there's conflict. That selfishness has gripped the pallys in poverty, and won't let go.

Israeli policies have gripped the Palestinians in poverty.

Here's an extract from an article in Ha'aretz, the Israeli newspaper I linked to above:

Since 1967, Israel's economic policy regarding the territories, and especially the Gaza Strip, has been based on two principles - bringing cheap Palestinian labor into Israel and preventing the development of an independent economic sector in the territories. (The latter was achieved by restrictive laws and by blocking the development of infrastructure, despite the fact that Palestinians paid taxes to the state). So the families of those working in Israel achieved relative economic prosperity on a personal level, while the community as a whole remained economically backward.

In Israeli in the 1970s it was hoped this economic dependence would prevent separation and that personal economic welfare would deflect any nationalist ideas about political independence. Even in the optimistic days of Oslo, economists explained that this dependence still existed and that even if development plans went ahead with a hitch, it would still require many years to create new jobs. Thus, economic stability in the territories - and especially in the Gaza Strip - depended on jobs in Israel.

The situation in the occupied territories is directly of Israel's making. Because of the first Intifada, which broke out in 1987, 20 years after the occupation began, Israel brought in the PLO to maintain order.

It wasn't an attempt to improve conditions for the Palestinians, you don't have to be a genious to work out giving power to a terrorist group isn't going to be very nice for the people they have power over. Instead it was an attempt to keep control of land, and the source of cheap labour available.

From an article in the Jerusalem post, the largest Israeli newspaper:

From the beginning and putting aside the palaver about a New Middle East the strategic calculus that informed Oslo was a simple one: Deputize thugs to take care of thugs. Revive the weakened strongmen of the PLO and they will do Israel's dirty work against Hamas and Islamic Jihad without fear of cavil from sundry human-rights groups in Israel and beyond. Wash your hands of the Palestinians once and for all, leave them to their sqalor, their corruption, and their tyranny, and they will leave us alone.

Nearly nine years later, the results of Oslo are in. The creation of a Palestinian Authority has indeed led to Palestinian immiseration at the hands of their thuggish leaders. But it has not given Israel the peace it thought it would gain in the process. Instead, we have the French Hill bombing, and the Egged bus bombing, and the Meggido Junction bombings, and the Park Hotel bombing, and the Moment cafe bombing, and the Haifa bombings, and Sbarro bombing, and the Dolphinarium bombing, and the Ramallah lynchings; an endless succession of genocides in miniature committed by the very regime Israel gave birth to on that fateful and awful day in September, 1993.

Israel has now taken control of most of the territory of the Wes Bank and Gaza. More than 1 million Palestinians are under 24hr curfew, allowed out 5 hours 1 day a week to buy food. If Israel doesn't want another wave of suicide bomber when that curfew is lifted, they need to do something to improve the lot of the Palestinians, not find another way to grind them under.

[NUKE]

You know what Palastinians are? They are Arabs and there is no such thing as Palestine and never has been. There has never in history been a state or even a defiined area know as Palastine.

After the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, aprox 200,000 Arab settlers fled the war zone. These Arabs willfully left. They were settlers, along with Jews in the area. The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs. Not until 1960's do we ever hear the "Palestinians"  or  Arab states demanding a "Palestinian" state. Thats because there never was one to begin with. Arafat was born in Egypt!

Remenants of this group tried to Overthrow the Jordainian Governement, which finannly got sick of them and kicked them out. They also tried to over-throw the gov of Kuwait.

1967, The Arabs massed there troops and King Nassar of Eqypt kicked the UN peacekeepers from the buffer zone around the Suez canal. He then announced that it was time for action, not words and that Isreal woulds be pushed into the sea. Syria and Jordan massed troops and began shelling Isreal. ( all the while, the wonderful UN didnt lift a finger in protest)

Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against the Arabs rather than wait for the blows that where coming. To sum it up, the Arabs ( who outnumbered Israeli forces by a large margine) got wiped out in a matter of a few days. Egypt lost most of it's AirForce and tanks. The Arabs lost in a humiliating way.

This war of 1967 was brought about by Jordan, Egypt and Syria.
Israel captured land from Jordan Egypt and Syria, not from "Palestine". Israel legally owns these captured areas as a result of territory gained in a war with a negotiated end. Do you ever hear Jordan or Eqypt demanding their land back?  After all, it was their land. In fact, Israel did give a huge area of land back to Egypt as a result of a peace treaty in 1976.... a treaty both partys honored .

I have ZERO sypmathy for these lying murderers known as Hamas, PLO, etc. They need to be crushed. Let Jordon take these losers back. Better yet, Israel should give all the land back to Jordan and let the PLO bully Jordan again.

If they stay and they tell the world that they are at war with Israel, let Isral show them a war. Let the gloves come off.

Im sick of murdering,terrorists thugs looking for sympathy.

Nuke

[Elfenwolf]

Nuke, Sorry but you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you pro-Israeli, pro-Palestenian or neutral? Your statement "I'm tired of murdering,terrorist thugs looking for sympathy" seems somewhat ambivilent.

[Tumor]

YOU da MAN NUKE!!

[NUKE]

"Nuke, Sorry but you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you pro-Israeli, pro-Palestenian or neutral? Your statement "I'm tired of murdering,terrorist thugs looking for sympathy" seems somewhat ambivilent."

Elfenwolf, are you retarded or just stupid? You cant tell If Im pro Israel or pro Palestinian?

Maybe part or your problem lies in reading comprehesion.

Nuke

[Nashwan]

After the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, aprox 200,000 Arab settlers fled the war zone.

It was closer to 500,000. Most of them fled before he Arab armies attacked, as the Jewish irregular forces, like the Haganah, conquered land that had been set aside for the Palestinian state, enlarging the borders of what would become Israel.

They were settlers, along with Jews in the area. The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs. Not until 1960's do we ever hear the "Palestinians" or Arab states demanding a "Palestinian" state.

Zionists began immigrating to Palestine in large numbers at the begining of the 20th century. The British census of Palestine in 1922 showed a population of 550,000 thousand Arabs, making up about 80% of the total population, iirc. 60,000 Jews were in Palestine by that time.

Palestine was the name given to the area long before that. If you read the Balfour declaration, committing Britain to support a Jewish national homeland, it says "in Palestine"

Arafat was born in Egypt!

His parents came from Jerusalem. Most of the Zionist leaders were born in Europe of parents who were born in Europe, grandparents in Europe, etc, back dozens of generations.

Israel legally owns these captured areas as a result of territory gained in a war with a negotiated end. Do you ever hear Jordan or Eqypt demanding their land back? After all, it was their land.

These territories were not part of Egypt or Jordan. Not even Israel claims to own the West Bank and Gaza strip. Doing so would make Israel give the people there citizenship, and Israel wants less Arab citizens, not more.

Not a single country, including Israel, recognises the territories as part of Israel.

Better yet, Israel should give all the land back to Jordan and let the PLO bully Jordan again.

Israel should certainly do something other than hold on to the land, without giving citizenship to the people who live there. Giving it back to Jordan is an interesting idea. It would leave Jordan to clear up the mess Israel has created, but haing done so they could set a Palestinian state there.

[babek-]

Originally posted by NUKE
The Arab settlers came from Arab states like Jordan, Iran, Iraq etc..... thats what they are, Arabs.

Iran is not an arab state.

The people of Iran are from the indo-german race and not members of the semite race (which are arabs or the original jews in Israel).
They also dont speak the arab language and dont share the same sunnite islamic religion but have their own religious variant, the shi�ite Islam.

When I visited Iran I made the same mistake by calling them arabs and my iranian collegues were deeply insulted when I did so and gave me the informations above.

One iranian made the following joke: "When in Israel 1 israeli and 2 palestines are killed, the score is 3:0 for Iran."

And this man was a 55 year old chief surgeon and not a 18 years old fanatic boy.

Despite all the propaganda there is no unite islamic or arab front.