C.205 vs F4U-1C vs N1K2

[juzz]

Corsair has an awesome gunsight view too.

[pdog_109]

discod,

205 should be tougher.
What i said, regards to real life, not AH  

[DanielMcIntyre]

 

Originally posted by Ammo:

you are on crack  but no offence. The IJA cannons are nowhere close as lethal as the AH modeled hispano..no way.

Whats the difference between pouring 1 gallon of petrol on some poor bastard and setting em alight and 2 gallons?

4 99II's and 4 Hisp both gunna kill ya, so the point is mute.


 

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Zygote:



Whats the difference between pouring 1 gallon of petrol on some poor bastard and setting em alight and 2 gallons?

4 99II's and 4 Hisp both gunna kill ya, so the point is mute.


   

take it easy fella. I was only saying that you cannot compare the two rounds. The hispano is far superior to the type 99. The macchi 202 will kill you too, but we all know that it isn't on par with the hispano either.

[DanielMcIntyre]

 

Originally posted by Ammo:

take it easy fella. I was only saying that you cannot compare the two rounds. The hispano is far superior to the type 99. The macchi 202 will kill you too, but we all know that it isn't on par with the hispano either.

Sure ammo the 202 will kill you, as long as it stays glued to your six and less then 300d for five minutes yeah    

but my original post was in regards to lethality, not firepower.  Yes the hispanos are more powerful then the 99II but there comes a point where bullet power becomes inconsequential.  A N1K2 will easily kill you dead as much as a C-Hog or a Typhoon will in a good snapshot, HO or when on your six.

I was talking lethality, not firepower.

[Karnak]

Zygote,

That is simply not true.  The trajectory of the Hispanno MkII is much better than the trajectory of the Type 99 MkII.  The F4U-1C and Typhoon will have a much easier time hitting with their cannon in the snapshot and they can hit with a snap shot at greater range.

[DanielMcIntyre]

cc Karnak maybe I misunderstood the original post on the N1K cannon.  I understood this "guns are really weak considering its got 4x20mm" to mean when it hits, not to mean its ability to hit and its ability to hit at longer ranges, etc etc.  What I'm saying is given the number of hits on a target that the chog needs to make a kill (a small burst), then the n1k given that same number of hits on the target (a small burst) will usually also make that kill.

[humble]

I'd say you can sum the three planes in question up as follows...

1) 205.....make a mistake and I'll keeeel you

2) C hog....let me get a shot and I'll keeeel you


3) nikki....let me do dumb ACM's burn e all over act like a dweeb....and I'll keeeel you

[Karnak]

Zygote,

IIRC, the damage looks like this:

If the Hispano MkII damage is 100, then the Type 99 MkII would be about 85.  That is really close.

Tony Williams has the following listed for AH guns in his book "Rapid Fire":

NS-37
Projectile Diameter: 37mm
Projectile Type: AP
Projectile Weight gm: 735
Muzzle Velocity: 900 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 298,000
Used in AH By: Yak-9T

FlaK 18
Projectile Diameter: 37mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 640
Muzzle Velocity: 820 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 215,000
Used in AH By: Ostwind

MK 108
Projectile Diameter: 30mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 330
Muzzle Velocity: 505 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 42,100
Used in AH By: Bf109G-6, Bf109G-10, Fw190A-8, Me262A-1, Ta152H-1

VYa
Projectile Diameter: 23mm
Projectile Type: API
Projectile Weight gm: 200
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 77,400
Used in AH By: Il-2 Type 3

Hispano MkII / M2
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 130
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 50,300
Used in AH By: F4U-1C, Hurricane MkIIc, Mosquito FB.MkVI, P-38L, Seafire MkIIc, Spitfire MkVb, Spitfire MkIX, Typhoon MkIb

ShVAK / B-20
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 97
Muzzle Velocity: 860 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 35,900
Used in AH By: La-5FN, La-7, Yak-9U

Hispano MkV
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 130
Muzzle Velocity: 850 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 46,900
Used in AH By: Tempest MkV

Type 99 MkII
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 128
Muzzle Velocity: 750 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 36,000
Used in AH By: A6M5b, N1K2-J

Ho-5
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HEI
Projectile Weight gm: 79
Muzzle Velocity: 730 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 21,000
Used in AH By: Ki-61-KAI-C

MG151/20
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 115
Muzzle Velocity: 710 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 29,000
Used in AH By: Bf109F-4, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Bf109G-10, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, Fw190D-9, Fw190F-8, Ta152H-1

MG-FF
Projectile Diameter: 20mm
Projectile Type: HE
Projectile Weight gm: 134
Muzzle Velocity: 600 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 24,100
Used in AH By: Fw190A-5

.50" Browning
Projectile Diameter: 12.7mm
Projectile Type: AP
Projectile Weight gm: 46
Muzzle Velocity: 880 m/sec
Joules at the Muzzle: 17,800
Used in AH By: B-17G, B-26B, Elco 80' PT Boat, F4U-1, F4U-1D, F6F-5, Lancaster MkIII, LTVA2, LTVA4, M3, M8 'Greyhound', M16, P-38L, P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-30, P-51B, P-51D, Spitfire MkIX

[Hammerhead]

Where and inwhich angle do u find the corsairs visibility good? I just cant check my 6 in that thing and half of my up view is all browned up as well  

[whirl]

have you shifted your view up and left and then hit f10 to save it??  this has to be done for every plane you fly in.  any plane will get a good rear view by doing this--btw.

[minus]

interesant the  joules states for diferent  guns , well lets try will P 47 hower  nose down at place if fire all guns at time ?    

damit the recoil seem not modeled ?  190a8 will slown down when fire all guns at 25 k and up

are YAk super light fighter will fly backward ?