Which P-47 is best?

[gofaster]

Which version of the P-47 in Aces High is the better dogfighter?  They all seem to have the same performance according to the charts.  Do they all fly the same?

[-ammo-]

prety much. The D30 has more HP under WEP. Some claim the D11 turns better, and it may feel a little less forgiving in a stall but it aint enough to matter IMO. The D25 is also a good jabo ride like the D30 but I hate the fixed rocket rails.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

You don't fly a P47 with a stick, you fly a P47 with your mind. Knowing which one is the best turnfighter will cloud your ability to do so.

[SirLoin]

The p47 that has 6 guns and low ammo load over the p47 with 8 guns and 1700 rounds is the better dogfighter....

[Virage]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
You don't fly a P47 with a stick, you fly a P47 with your mind. Knowing which one is the best turnfighter will cloud your ability to do so.

Frenchy does his best thinking in the D11

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by gofaster
Which version of the P-47 in Aces High is the better dogfighter?  

The one Drex is flying.

eskimo

[nuchpatrick]

Stablity wise the D-11 rules the air over the Jug's
D-30 is a perfect Jabo Two 1k lbs 1 500, and 10 rockets!!!
D-25 is about as unstable as an F-4U IMO.

Speed wise I don't see the difference between the D-11 and D-30...at slow speeds the D-11 will out turn a D-30 hands down with the right pilot.

On top of that the D-30 dive flaps are just as useless as the PJ's

[RightF00T]

D11 is stable and D25 isnt? I think you have your Jugs mixed

[SFRT - Frenchy]

D11 is stable and D25 isnt? I think you have your Jugs mixed

Why did they add a tail filet on the D30 and later models then?

[RightF00T]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy

Why did they add a tail filet on the D30 and later models then?  

McDonald's McJug Filet? Fish on the go whenever you want it.

[Sancho]

Frenchy's got it right.

Many pilots transitioning from the razorback jug to the new P-47D-25 said the bubbletop was less "stable" in turns, compared to the razorbacks.  I think what they meant by this was that bubbletop tended to yaw a little bit more in turns; it was a little bit trickier for the pilot to make good coordinated turns.  Adding the dorsal fillet (like on the D-30) corrected this instability.  I don't think this is modelled in AH.

[eddiek]

Another reason for the dorsal filet was a disturbing tendency for the plane to enter a high speed stall at higher speeds, such as diving and recovery from dives.
The Jug pilot I talked to said they lost a guy that way, no one could figure it out, so they went and "recreated" the man's last known actions......
When "my" Jug driver started to pull out from a dive, the Jug immediately flipped over onto it's back with no warning.  He said he tried it again, and the plane always flipped to the left, absolutely no warning at all.  His CO went up and tried it, same result.  Mind you, they were in Jugs in clean trim, not loaded to the gills with ordnance.  That's probably the only reason they survived and the other guy didn't.
To cut to the chase, their findings went up the chain of command, a Republic field rep was notified, and the dorsal filet "fix" was added.
FWIW, he said his D-20 was retrofitted with the filet after they found out what was wrong, as were all other bubble-top Jugs prior to the D-30's factory build with the filet.
I kinda doubted his story when he told it to me, then he showed me several pics of his plane.  You could see the D-20 minus the mod, and the modified version of the same plane.  He said after the filet was added, the plane was rock solid in dive recoveries.
Trivial info, I know, but this discussion got me to looking at my notes on him.  Sorry to butt in..........

[HoHun]

Hi Sancho,

>Many pilots transitioning from the razorback jug to the new P-47D-25 said the bubbletop was less "stable" in turns, compared to the razorbacks.  

Here are some comments from Grumman test pilot Corky Meyer who flow a P-47M during the 1944 Fighter Conference:

"We had all been warned by Republic officials not to use large rudder deflections under 200mph in either the clean or the landing configurations because of major directional instabilities that had just been noted by Republic test pilots after the bubble conopy had been installed. The original 'razor back'-type canopy on earlier P-47s did not have this quirk. Very gingerly testing yaw maneuvers below 200mph, I did notice a large reduction iof rudder forces that thended to be over-balanced when moving the rudder away from neutral in either direction. I stopped testing yaw as soon as this phenomenon started and before I entered the dangerous rudder-force over-balance zone. I wasn't going to be a test pilot for Republic! It wasn't paying me. While I tested this kind of maneuver, it became clear to me that the P-47M wasn't just 'a bit pregnant' with this problem!"

Corky Meyer was specially interested in this topic as the new XF8F displayed the same kind of instabilty problem.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[EvilDingo]

It seems to me that the D-11 turns better too. I used the D-11 almost exclusively one tour and when I jumped from the D-11 to a D-25, I noticed a difference. It seemed the D-25 stalled sooner in low speed turns and loops.

[nuchpatrick]

Yeah Dingo.. I agree. The 11 runs circles around the other counter parts...There is a noticeable difference between the 25 & 30 as well..maybe due to those non-working dive flaps..Or those rocket tubes on the 25's wings..