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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2002, 08:42:31 PM »
Im sorry, 'point' I meant?

Same result.

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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2002, 08:54:18 PM »
So my argument is pointless because I assume if modeled, they wouldn't show the ICONS?


Perhaps.   Depends on how HTC desides to implement them (which I have no doubt they will at some future date).

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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2002, 09:20:13 PM »
yes

And your doubts are why you don't warrent valid updates.

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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2002, 09:37:54 PM »
Is this thread still about scanning 6?  =)

If you tilt yer head back you can scan 360.

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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2002, 09:57:42 PM »
Or fall right off your comfy computer chair....

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« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2002, 10:17:04 PM »
I made a grammatical error Creamo....I left a word out (I fixed it).

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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2002, 10:27:05 PM »
Im pretty sure Im so blasted, I did not notice.


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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2002, 10:29:18 PM »
Ooops,


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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2002, 10:18:45 AM »
Creamo, can you show me the source in the Israeli Airforce that mention how useful mirrors are ?

Thanks

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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2002, 10:29:58 AM »
why screw with what works...

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« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2002, 10:41:57 AM »
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Did you do those bitmaps of the guages? They are very good - are they available somewhere please? (I mean like Mitsus' soundpack is).

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« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2002, 11:39:26 AM »
"I saw a little dot in my mirror at twelve o'clock," Beurling replied calmly. "I knew that if I said anything on the R/T the chances of our whole section turning around quickly enough weren't very good. That spot would have disappeared. So I peeled off, climbed and got behind him. I was to his left and behind, and I could see my shots going into the rear of his cockpit. The FW went down in flames.

Notwithstanding such tales of Beurling's "super vision", his account of shooting down an enemy aircraft without anyone else realizing it seemed farfetched. More importantly, without an eyewitness the only possible evidence that could be used to support his claim would be if the movie camera in his Spitfire, which operated when the machine guns were fired, had recorded the event.

"By golly", said Monty afterwards, "the film clearly showed the aircraft being shot down. He had spotted this dot, peeled off, got behind it and got back into position without anybody knowing what had happened.""



http://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/beurling.htm


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"Looking to the direction of the noise I saw a huge, ragged hole in the right wing trailing fire, and in my rear view mirror I saw three Russian fighter aircraft directly on my tail with all guns blazing! I later identified them as YAK-16s. Dropping my fuel tanks and adding full power, I started a steep, climbing right turn. It was too late. I continued to take more hits and I knew the F-5 was doomed when flames came into the cockpit."

http://p38assn.org/stories_01-02.htm

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"MacDonald had already turned back but the Mitsubishi flew for the kill. Lindbergh rammed rpm forward and throttle; to the firewall; the Lightning surging forward but the enemy craft still grew larger in his mirror, now within gun range. Realizing the futility of trying to outrun the Zero and too low to dive, the civilian continued turning, denying a no deflection shot at his pursuer while he hunched low in the seat and its armor plating. Lindbergh remembered his family with startling clarity as the Zero; nose and wings sparkled with gunfire."

http://www.charleslindbergh.com/wwii/


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"The Hurricane's visibility was pretty good, except above and below to the rear. The mirror was useful, but not as effective as it might have been. I replaced mine with a curved rear-view mirror, and felt that it gave me a touch extra speed besides giving a better view."

http://www.battleofbritain.net/section-5/page-64.html

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"-How good was visibility toward the rear in the P-51B?
-I had a mirror outside the cockpit.

-Were those mirrors very effective?

-[shakes his head] The mirror had no adjustment. I tell you that you could not see anything. They should have just taken the mirror off! [laughs] In the P-51D the mirror had no use at all, but it was a million times better than in the B plane.

-So it was still bad in the P-51D?

-Yes.

-Why was the mirror bad?

-Because it was useless in the air!

-In the P-51D, with the bubble canopy, could you just turn your head and look back? Or did the head rest obscure a lot of the view?

-In the P-51D you could look back, yeah.

-It was good?

-Yeah, yeah.

-So the fact that you had a backrest there did not obstruct the view a lot?

-Yeah.

-But in the P-51B, if you turned back, could you see anything?

-In the B plane you could see nothing. Nothing.

-Could you see better in the P-51C than on the B?

-Much, much better.

-So the Spitfire kind of canopy helped a lot?

-Yes. You could turn your head and look back."


http://home.insightbb.com/~j.dapena/cohen/interview.html

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"Very early production Corsairs were equipped with the Brownscope wide-angle rear-view periscope system, which was shortly replaced by a mirror in a small "bubble" in the sliding canopy. "

http://usfighter.tripod.com/f4u.htm


Jets w/ mirrors:

http://storm.webvis.net/scrap016.jpg

http://storm.webvis.net/scrap018.jpg


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From: http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development.php

Hurricane w/ mirror

La7 with Mirror

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« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2002, 11:47:42 AM »
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My, oh my.  Hblair has definately changed.   Don't mind me.  :D   I found this while looking for info on rear view mirrors in AH.  I chuckled to myself reading Hblairs posts after just having a recent, but opposite,  exchange ourselves.  
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I think these are all the posts I made in that thread you're refering to. I was simply trying to make a point. My message was engine toggling is less gamey than other concessions...

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And while you're at it ask him if he could take his head off his shoulders and set it on the dash facing backwards to get a good six view.



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Of course they wouldn't oedipus, they were in a slightly different situation. They couldn't just hop right back in the plane after they were killed. We can though. What's realistic about being able to replane after you just lost your life ?

When your life is at stake I would think you would fly a little more cautiously wouldn't you? Do you think tactics that were actually possible in rea life should be done away with in this game simply because they were too high a risk for a real life WWII pilot? You're for "dummying down" something that is possible simply because it was risky in real life?
What about goons wandering into enemy territory by themselves?
What about spit 109E's fighting ME262's in the same arena?
The list could go on and on. You guys just need to adapt. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, but the sooner the better.


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Oedipus, exactly what difference is there in decceleration between cutting engine and throttling back? You don't know?

What of sitting your head on the dash for a six view? Ammo counters? etc. etc.

You don't even know if cutting engine even offers an advantage. So what's the point?


Maybe this left you with the impression I was all about the gaming stuff..

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I don't care much about the ammo counters, dash head, etc. I realize there's gotta be concessions.

As for the engine cutting...


I said I didn't care much about the "dash head". That's about as liberal as I got. The main reason with me not caring about the dash head is I know it won't change. Go digging up the old radar threads if you want to see me arguing about gameplay. ;)

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« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2002, 01:47:36 PM »
How convenient.
BTW, what is an oedipus?

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« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2002, 01:49:50 PM »
Head spinning? Methinks maybe hblair has bad childhood memories of his sister Linda. :p

But seriously it works good like it is... if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you want to limit the views even more than they already are save it for the 'ultra real' arena I keep hearing about. Although if you are in a 'real' plane looking around you could already see better than you can in AH.