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« on: July 03, 2002, 09:49:15 PM »
The Franz is the finest expression of the Me109 as a pure fighter. It's only weakness was the weak armament. In terms of maneuvrability, I think it's better than a Spit V. Even though it isn't as good in level turns, it can make up for it by improved speed and rate of climb. Anybody else who likes the Franz please replay to this post. Also,I would like some comparison charts between the 109F4 and the Spit or anything else.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2002, 12:08:07 AM »
I like the 109F, It's one of my favorite WWII planes.

I am sure in the right hands it will tussle well with a spit V in AH, but it has to be a well fought fight.  One mistake and youre done.  

Even that said, all things being equal, pilt skill E state, etc, the spit should win.

If you want to play around with the matchup let me know.  Im not the best stick in either plane, But I can offer a representative target for you to fly against.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2002, 02:11:14 AM »
Hi Udet,

>The Franz is the finest expression of the Me109 as a pure fighter.

There never was any "Franz" in the Messerschmitt line of fighters. There was only the "Friedrich" (short "Fritz"), named for the code for "F" in the German phonetic alphabet (like about any other Luftwaffe plane).

("Anton", "Berta", "Caesar", "Dora", "Emil", "Friedrich", "Gustav" ...)

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2002, 12:23:26 PM »
you are right hohun, some sources call it friederich but some call it franz. My guess is that both names were used by Luftwaffe pilots, maybe franz as a less official denomination.

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2002, 12:27:04 PM »
fester, the 109 f4 and the spit v are in my opinion an equal match. however, the 109 requires a tad more skill and attention.

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2002, 01:00:21 PM »
I fly a lot of planes and the 109F is one of my top 4 choices.  Of all the planes that  I fly, I find it to be the most versetile.  I use it for base defense, attack, bomber interceptor, furballer and GV killer (I had over 100 GV kills in the 109F one tour!).

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2002, 01:39:06 PM »
Hi Udet,

>you are right hohun, some sources call it friederich but some call it franz.

The problem is, all sources calling is "Franz" are pretty recent. I doubt you'll find any mention of a "Franz" in a book that's much older than, say, 1990. In fact, I saw it for the first time in about 1995 when I checked the Air Warrior plane files (which were poorly researched in some points at least).

"Friedrich" in WW2 was the official phonetic code for "F", and the Luftwaffe crews absolutely adhered to this pattern. This phonetic code goes back to the early days of telephone communication and actually was used by everyone on a regular basis - not just the military, like it seems to be the case with the US phonetic codes. In fact, civilians still routinely use the code in Germany (and Austria) even today.

In short, there's no chance of any German soldier not being familiar with the phonetics and messing it up badly enough for the name to stick. For a foreign author, however, it's easy to confuse "Fritz" - which is the abbreviated form of "Friedrich", though it's never used like that when phonetics count - and "Franz" and to accidentally create a myth that way by getting it into print somehow.

I'd like to invite everyone to try and find an actual German quote from WW2 that uses the name "Franz" for the Me 109F - I've never seen anything like that, and I'm absolutely convinced that you won't be able to find such a quote either.

It really would be the same as referring to the F-18F not as "Foxtrot", but as "Farmhand" - it would make no recogizable sense at all and deviate from all established patterns.

You're right that the "Franz" designation has gained quite some popularity, but I hope I've managed to provide some reasons to consider "Friedrich" the more authentic of the two names at least.

In my opinion, it's the only authentic one, but I'm sure you already guessed that ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2002, 02:57:03 PM »
one on one - 109f with gonds and 50% & dt will kill 85% of ppl in MA

easily

remove the gonds and it'll kill another 10%

CT is usually another story :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2002, 03:57:50 PM »
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Originally posted by Eagler
one on one - 109f with gonds and 50% & dt will kill 85% of ppl in MA

easily

remove the gonds and it'll kill another 10%

CT is usually another story :)


Yea, but one on three, I need the gondolas!

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2002, 07:04:42 PM »
As I said, Im not the best in a spit V there are certaintly better sticks, but I can put it through its paces.  Ive flown the 109F a bit and while I love it, and do well in it, I think one v one co e with a spit v it's going to be in trouble.

Id love to go to the ta and see what you guys can do with the 109f,  Ill be the crash dummy in the spit.

Oh and Im not Citabria either, game id is FesCAF

Any takers?

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2002, 07:15:09 PM »
sure, will look for you in the ma :)

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2002, 07:36:42 PM »
The F is one of my favorite rides as well. My only prob with it is that its a bit slow against the uber birds. Otherwise I think the guns R just barely sufficient (it'll do the job). Just not enough power to run sometimes.

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2002, 08:56:57 PM »
sure, will look for you in the ma

Tonight Ill be rather late, Im working a 12 so I wont be on before 2-2:30 pst am and Ill be on for a couple hours before I have to go catch a flight to head up to washington.

I wont be on at all this weekend, but should be up normal hours 7-10 pm through next week.

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2002, 06:23:20 AM »
Im not real good on Some dates of when planes were made ,, but if the 109-F is the best version it prob came out later then the rest consitering i know for a fact the E version was popular for a long duration of the war .... and the spit5 was a early version of the spit .. therefore i think by the time 109-fs were around they were already pitted against spit9s and maybe some p47s just a thought maybe you guys could find some dates out

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2002, 10:05:38 AM »
Planes in active service:

Bf-109 E-4_____May 1940
Bf-109 F-4_____ June 1941
Spitfire V______ April 1941
Spitfire IV______July 1942
P-47D-11______Jan 1944
Hurricane IIc____April 1941

These and lots of more in This Thread. Could be good reading :)
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