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Offline Fury

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« on: September 03, 2000, 08:44:00 AM »
Last night's Check Six event in the SEA was a six hour matchup of 109/190s against some allied fighters and bombers.

The turnout was pretty good for a while, I believe there may have been as many as 50 for the first two hours.

However, after 10pm EST the numbers started dwindling rapidly.  By the time I landed a bomber sortie with Sunchser and skippy, we were the last three in the arena, and this was 12:50am EST, an hour before the event was scheduled to end (when we took off, the tally was around 14 vs. 6, around 11:45pm EST or so).

I'm sure that the arena was not set up exactly as many would like an HA to be set up; I'm sure that some people didn't even fly AH because of prior commitments or timzone differences; maybe some people didn't like the planeset.  But when I log out of the SEA at 10pm EST and see 80+ in the MA and 25 or less in the SEA on a *Saturday night*!?  There is no way HTC would set up an HA with those abysmal numbers.

A while back I suggested that maybe HTC could set up the SEA as a pure HA one night a week for a while, to see what the interest was in an HA.  Now, I know one day does not make a trend, but this was a pretty poor argument for an HA when the MA outnumbers the HA (SEA) 3 to 1.

I hope that more of these events can be set up and tried out; the longer "scenarios" where the SEA is set up like an HA and the different options (like tags, or closing bases between the two countries to force higher up fighting) can be tried.

I'm all for an HA setup of some sort; although I may not spend 100% of my time there, I would spend a good deal of time there.

I know my comment about the poor showing in the SEA last night does not mean an HA is impossible right now.  But I think it's a bad sign.  It's not like we are all sick and tired of a 24/7 HA, and I'm *not* worried about the people who couldn't even fly AH at all last night.  I'm *am* worried about the 80 MA vs. 25 HA (SEA) count, and the fact that decent numbers could not be kept up for more than 2.5 hours during a prime-time Saturday evening (USA prime)  

Please don't flame me for my opinion; if you disagree or agree with what I've said here, I'd like to hear it and I'm sure HTC will be reading it too.  What did I miss?  Why are my comments wrong or misleading?  Am I oversimplifying the HA vs. MA by looking at one night's low numbers?

Fury

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2000, 09:05:00 AM »
 Actualy I thought the turnout last night was excelllllllent (in the voice of Monty Burns) To me it was the best check six event yet, although it did generaly end up a furball between 4 and 15, but that's been happening in weekend warriors for years    It's realy hard to stay "on target" for 4+ hours when people come and go.  The biggest, most organized and most "on target" fight is usualy the first maybe first and 2nd.

 I took a brake after 2 hours of flying (that was only 2 flights   )which I do every saturday, but this time when I came back an hour or so later people were still in there fighting, this was about the time you took off on your mission i think. Here's my analagy,  Aces High senario's are still in the embriotic stage of life. What you've been experiencing are the mental projections of that embrio's young life starting   ooh that would make a good Star Trek episode.

 As far as an HA, HTC has said publicly this will be awhile. The player base isn't quite large enough yet to support 2 arenas.  I agree, back in WB days  the MA would have 150-200 while the HA would have 30-60. We'll get there, I bet we get new additions to the player base after the next release. If they are the players I hope they are, they will be clammering for an AHHA (that has a ring to it   )  For now we are running weekly events like the Check Six. We're a new CM staff, but we are soaking up knowlege like sponges and learn much from every event. Some of us were CM's in brand W too, so there is some good experience already here.

 The last 3 events we've run have been the best so far.  There will always be problems that creep up. The groovy thing about problems though is that when you solve them it leads to more fun  

 Oh yeah, and thanks for stopping in last night  

Udie

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2000, 09:55:00 AM »
Heya,

Pyro has some pretty set ideas about HA's that are being borne out by our experiences: Less is More.

When you set one of these up for a few hours once a week, people show up and generally have a good time. When you leave one open 24-7, it becomes a Ghost Town...fast.

The first 2 hours of last night's event went exactly as we'd hoped: Fairly large and organized buff runs, escorted and intercepted. After that, it did sort of break down into a furball, but as Udie says: that's typical.

Seemed like everyone had fun and as always, I and the other CM's learned a few new things that will carry over into next week's event. We appreciate everyone's participation, and patience.


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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2000, 10:51:00 AM »
SALUTE to the organizers!

My only complaint was the un-eveness of the planes, mid-war german against late-war american, no buffs for the german either.

I think I'd have enjoyed a german/russian fight better, with 190a5/109g6 vs La5/Yak and eliminate the buffs.
Just my two cents.
I did enjoy myself tho, so again great job by the organizers!

 
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2000, 10:52:00 AM »
Planning....

In my case lack of the above.

I flew 3 missions and the first was a lone wolf disaster.

I was a bit late, had no clue what was going on and took off after a bunch of B17s that had taken off from A24, destination unknown.

On the trip East I learned the target was A4.
 I think, bummer, a historical matchup with B17s doing Main arena airfield stuff.

Please do not take the above as criticism whoever  was leading the bombers, I just feel that strategic targets, ie: cities, refineries, factories, etc should have been the main focus of the bombers.

OK, anyhow, I watched the buffer and tried to cut across to join the bombers and just West and North of the target, I saw a herd of dots heading NE.
They turned out to be a lot of Mustangs looking for the bombers and I think they missed them, the bombers were due North of the target by then and heading 180 and the escorts were already north of the bombers.

I saw dots over the target which proved to be bombers and many cons battling it out and, after making a fast, ineffictive run over the field destroying mainly flowers and sheep, I was desperately looking for a way out of town.

I was picked apart during several attacks and about the last message I saw in the buffer before I exploded was from the fighters asking "Where are the bombers?"

That mission was a learning experience for me, I was on the bomber RW and there was not much communication going on.

I do not know if there was a common bmr/ftr channel but I think there was not.

So, I was late, got wasted over the target and that was all poor planning on my part, If I was with the group I may have made it home, I have no idea how many bombers did make a landing.

Then I decided to try to get a mission to bomb the German city and, while I am ignorant on the mission planner, begging on the buffer got me 3 more bombers and committment for escort, thank you Drill and Mighty1 for the escort.

That mission worked, although there was no opposition the city was bombed and Sharkey, who did a great catchup and join with us, Skipper, Shade324 and I made it home with Drill as shepard.

The second semi organized mission was to the city again with Fury and Skipper seeing me at my usual best.
 I messed up climbing and did not clear a hill near A13 and we had to start over.

On the way to the target I saw that there were only 7 Axis and about 9 Allies left in the SEA so I told the Axis we were coming.

We saw a con lifting from A9 as we neared the target but we bombed and were on the way home with Mighty1 watching the con and we were well on the way out of the target area before we met opposition.

That opposition was Minus who made some well executed passes through our formation before engine damage put him out of the fray.

Minus came back in another plane and made at least 3 more extremely well executed passes. I was having trouble tracking him and when he reached the point where the con usually gets shot due to poor energy state he always had enough left to not be where I was shooting.

He shot up the gunners in 1 B17 and suffered engine damage again and had to break off his attacks.

Minus, well done, to nearly survive 3 passes through 3 B17s with good gunners is a credit to your flying skill.

We got home.

This got long and I hope anyone trying to read it is still awake.

This event is what I hope is a big part of the future in AH and we are all still learning how to do it.

I was also disappointed in the numbers after the first mission but I think those will increase as more of us who fly get a bit more organized.

I would rather fly in the SEA with 20 doing something based on WWII than in the Main with 200 doing what we mostly do in the main.

But the main is still fun as long as I do not begin to take myself too seriously.

So, finally, thanks to the guys who schedule and monitor these events and thanks to the guys who flew with and against me.

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2000, 11:57:00 AM »
Overall, I thought it was fun.

I killed two enemies low, and (predictably) died in my A8 when I tried to do the same high.

If anything, I'd like the fight to be a bit lower. 30 minutes climbing only to see a bunch of high 48's, 51's buffs and 38's is NOT fun.

Maybe next time I'll just stay at 6k and yell COME GET ME!  

But, it was fun. Remember being chased by two 51's and one 38. Went up through cloud lost them, and when I reached top, to my dismay I saw a P47 d400. EEEK. Flaps out, speed 100, nose down, too late. Spinout shot me (he's shot me a LOT lately  )

Hm, wait, one of the deaths was close to the ground I think.

Oh well, there goes that excuse.

<S!> to organisers and participants. Hope we'll repeat this  

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2000, 07:41:00 AM »
Just wanted to clarify that I thought the event was great, and these types of events are what I love (as I stated in another thread).  I was just making comment on HA threads I remember from a month or so ago.

"Less is more" sounds about right. to the organizers.

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2000, 10:04:00 AM »
I thought the Check Six event was a blast.  I flew Allied for a while, then flew Axis when the numbers got lopsided.  Historical matchups are where its at--for me anyways.  Maybe we don't have the numbers for a separate, full-time HA, but this is no problem as long as there is some kind of scenario or special event going on.  Thanks to the organizers.  

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2000, 06:20:00 PM »
I've had a blast at every scenario I've participated in the last one "check six" was a tuffy, was always gettin blasted outta the sky by 51's, 47's and 38's but I still had a great time.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2000, 09:35:00 PM »
Didn't Hblair make this post 2 weeks ago?  

I was out of town so I couldn't fly, but <S> to the CMs and people working to make these events better.